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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on December 16, 2024, 09:53:11 AM

He really got under your skin, didn't he? Bringing him up even a year after he's passed away.

That is irrelevant. I have mentioned other users who have spread misinformation and vouched for services that offer substandard privacy and can possibly steal your coins and log your information. As someone whose opinion actually held weight amongst users it would only be natural for his name to come up as well.

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I always remember myself recommending coinjoin and Monero over to custodial mixers, and there's nothing in the quoted text that suggests otherwise. But, feel free to dig up the forum more and prove me wrong.

The quote button doesn't work if a thread was moved to Archival. Here is what you said in the old thread started by Symmetrick.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62752915#msg62752915

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A coinjoin provides minimum privacy levels, comparably to all the available mixer funds most of the times

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62708731#msg62708731

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They do provide privacy, but not as much as with the methods that involve absence of transaction connection. ChipMixer was giving you chips that were generated before you deposit, and contained no connection with your deposit. That was better than with coinjoin.

You called ChipMixer more effective than Whirlpool and Joinmarket.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 23, 2022, 05:44:11 PM

Good thing with JoinMarket is self-custody. If that isn't a concern go with ChipMixer, as it beats it in both cost and effectivity.

One of the rare times where you mention the custodial aspect being a drawback yet you still said it was better than coinjoin.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 17, 2022, 01:30:02 PM

ChipMixer does have some good practices, but that implies you'll use their service (which provides better mixing than a coinjoin, but trades-off self-custody):

Here is a final one although I could probably find more by searching other keywords.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on July 14, 2021, 10:35:52 AM

With the mixer, you'll receive better privacy. Still, not 100%, obviously, but better than with CoinJoin.

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My friend, I can also point out issues on coinjoin clients that said they were providing privacy when they actually weren't when the user did all sort of dumb decisions, like the KuCoin hacker. For example, I can also point you out to whirlpool user deliberately consolidating toxic change with private coins.

The point I was making isn't about user error from the KuCoin hacker. It is about Chipmixer and those shilling for it being caught lying about "time travelling". The hacker could have done everything perfectly and it wouldn't change the fact that Chipmixer was scamming users. Their mistakes only made it easier to detect how they were scamming by sometimes providing users with non-private chips created from their own deposit. It would be the equivalent of doing a whirlpool mix where you are the only participant, thus not doing any actual mixing.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on December 16, 2024, 09:53:11 AM

This ongoing drama has to come to an end. Right now, it feels like you're trying to make me submit, just as others (including myself) have tried to make Kruw submit. I'll admit that I've said things in the past that were incorrect and have spread misinformation about WabiSabi (the protocol). Similarly, Kruw has said plenty of foolish things on this board, and I'm sure he's aware of it too.

I'm not asking anyone to forgive the things that have been said during this conflict; there have been plenty of unforgivable remarks from both sides. However, can we set aside our egos? Nothing good will come from continuing this. WabiSabi is an excellent protocol, and while the team is one big problem, it's open-source, meaning we can improve it. Bitcoin's need for privacy is more important than either side seeking "redemption".

What do you say?

I have tried to avoid the drama and am not seeking for submission from anybody. I've only intended to engage in factual debate. My only problem is with mixers and the hypocrisy of those who have defended them despite the many problems involved with using them. Criticisms against Wasabi are also fair, since they are not without their own flaws, and people should be free to express their concerns. I am not for censoring, red tagging, and making false accusations which is what I have received when I have expressed views that inconvenienced several members.

Excellent research. It's amazing how quickly people forget things they said themselves.