Quote from: barabbas on May 01, 2014, 06:53:46 AM

Quote from: Jabulon on May 01, 2014, 06:17:31 AM

Quote from: barabbas on May 01, 2014, 05:27:21 AM

Quote from: IconicExpert on May 01, 2014, 03:31:14 AM

Quote from: barabbas on May 01, 2014, 02:38:59 AM

Excuse me??? And just who decided, besides you, that she would be the one? I for one believe that we can do much better than that, sorry. She may be as wonderful as you pretend or whatever but, the BlackCoin Girl, why?

See? this is where the enthusiasm and the "passion" are not just misguided but damaging. I mean, you are obviously free to make any video you want and put her or Cheetah, if you so choose, of course, but that would be, again, taking jabs at BlackCoin the brand, the image.

And Emma can be -for you- the best thing since sliced bread but her image, sorry, not on par, ok?

I vowed to ignore you because I think people like you are a cancer to creativity and morale, but I decided that I should make a comment because your criticisms are damaging and unwanted. I think Jabulon ideas are great and I am glad he is enthusiastic about helping. However, I also think if he wants to use his leading lady as the "face" of BlackCoin the community should take a vote. The way you present your criticisms are condescending and demoralizing. What makes your criticisms even more insulting is I have yet to see you propose projects or creative ideas to add value to BlackCoin. It is unfortunate we as a community cannot take a vote to ban you because I think people like you dissuade others from wanting to participate. If you are not going to propose ideas of your own, or at the very least stop criticizing the work and ideas of other members, then please STFU and stop clicking post. Go back to IRC and be negative there.

You want me to propose ideas? Here they are: Use all your enthusiasm, "work" and resources to REALLY help BlackCoin. By getting more merchants accepting payments with it, THAT'S really helping the cause, not damaging the brand. Stop the nonsense, the absurd noise, the outrageous "events" and concentrate your efforts in the essence, ok? Where do you get that BlackCoin should be "associated with wealth"? As a stakeholder I SPECIFICALLY don't want BlackCoin to have ANY association with wealth or the wealthy, but with the unprotected layman abused by those in power, political or monetary, ok? Get the idea? Not all publicity is good or even acceptable, alright? More ideas? how about getting the best pool possible? How about getting more, many more, miners to sign in, as a consequence of being the best? You want to help, why not helping with that? There are many growing pains already present and more that will materialize in the near future, as is logical in a coin that has been out in the public light for just 2 months. 2 fucking months! What's the rush? What exactly do you want to achieve, other than getting the price in the exchanges higher, and for which you are not only willing to work seemingly non-stop but also involving your wife and act, on occasion, as a total ahole (the WC debacle) or an unethical manipulator (the ill-fated stopped-at-the-last-second-by-the-devs, attempt at influence the market price). What is it? You post ad infinitum, that you just want to "help" and do good for "the community". Well, the community is not just a few outspoken yahoos with loose connection with reality who post several times a day in this forum; the community is formed by all those who have invested in this coin because they see in it the possibility of a great future, rewarding, of course, but a long term future in which associations with market manipulators or "wealth" have absolutely no place whatsoever.

So feed your ego or comply with whatever your ulterior motives might be as you deem necessary, but stop the bullcrap. You do what you do for self-serving purposes ONLY and, to many -if not most- in detriment of this community that would do much better without most if not all of your initiatives.

Barrabas - What are you actually doing for this coin? Are you personally doing anything to attract merchants, as you petulantly demand others do? Anything else? Anything whatsoever?

In fact, merchant outreach is only one angle. Yes, a crucial one. As is creating a quality product in the first place. As is advertising, PR, and all positive efforts to attain visibility. This is true for any enterprise, most especially a startup. It requires experimentation and imagination. Not all ideas will succeed. Not everyone will agree on what is best. People will bring diverse talents to the table. But they are taking creative action. You are playing the curmudgeon, the misanthrope. And you would set yourself up as some kind of champion of 'the unprotected layman abused by those in power'. Ni&^a please. Sounds ever so noble. But your words ring hollow.

What is the point in asking a question whose answer you are going to consider the "ring hollow", whatever that answer is? Like in the case of the ineffable IE, the personal attacks -his only response to critical thinking-, have no place nor serve any purpose here. Nor have your pretension that I "demand others do". I demand absolutely nothing of anyone, but when asked for ideas, I produce good ones easily, no matter how obvious. Among other things what I am doing is try to instill some reason and common sense here, things that would maybe preserve the future of this coin whose reputation can be easily compromised by wild, greedy people running amok. Oh, I am also BUYING a lot of BlackCoin (you think that is doing something for it?) You state "all positive efforts to attain visibility" as a need or even a convenience and classify BlackCoin as a "startup", trying, seemingly, to establish some similitude with the corporate world. Well, stop the common place because there's none: This is a cryptocurrency, not an enterprise of any kind with a product to market and sell. Are we clear on that? Creative action is great when it is creative... as in brainstorming. As in what about.... and then, after examining every single possible angle, is approved and put in practice. "Creative" as in let's see who comes up with the most outrageous idea and I am going to make it happen, if other people are crazy enough to send the donations, regardless of what anyone else thinks... that is dangerous. Because trial and error, when dealing with a brand, is simply not viable: If a brand is damaged, no amount of effort or PR will salvage it. The brand image of BlackCoin, so far, is pristine. Why compromise it? why risk a perception, inside of the crypto world, that could destroy what has already been accomplished? What potential reward will justify assuming such a risk? and, ultimately, why? Isn't BlackCoin doing exceptionally well with just two months in the marketplace? At number 9 in market cap, by any measure it is doing excellent. Did it get there through unethical market manipulation? No. Did it got there through some "supporters" organizing outrageous public "happenings"? No. Why should it be associated now with such things?

Another poster has pointed out that, to his perception, Asiacoin, Whitecoin and Cinnicoin are "hot on Blackcoins's heels" and that "we better do something about that". Well what about let them follow their own paths and try to catch up? They are more like "cold on Blackcoin heel's" and 1/10 ot its market cap (or 1/15th, in the case of cinni) and not getting any better. But, more importantly, shouldn't we be looking up instead of down? I don't see PeerCoin or their stakeholders engaging in such outrageous activity... and they have been around for a long time and people has lost patience many months ago because the price didn't got as high as they expected or wanted? I don't even see Dogecoin engaging in such behaviors, nor any of their supporters, even though the whole idea of the coin is perceived to be a joke, therefore the "brand image" is more loose than Blackcoin can be. Do you? Does it look like they are in any kind of danger or "need to do outrageous stuff"? Same applies to most if not all the coins placed in those 8 spots that separate BlackCoin from the top ... in just 2 months.

Consider my words hollow of whatever serves your agenda better, but if you are to argue or debate other's positions, better use some common sense in lieu of actual knowledge.

Oh, I am no champion of anything, including "unprotected laymen....", but BlackCoin should perhaps strive to be.

I don't agree:
Dogecoin comes out to people 1) Dogecoin... 2) Sponsor jamaka team 3) Nascar 4) Doge for watter action and more...
Many other coins don't make such actions like PPC but who cares ?
POS coin like BC need to expand because it has 7day of POW it is not PPC with much wider distribution.
Without any GOOD buzz marketing like eg. that IE Card/Wallstreet combo BC won't rise so much to be big it needs marketing.
IMO if we do that action that could thinks that BC is much stronger than 99% of all other alts.
Donation for that is risky as allays in crypto every coin is risk BTC,Ripple,MSC,NXT... no matter what you think their price once go up once down.
If IE wouldn't make those BC cards i would ignore his Wallstreet plan but now i give him trust credit and some donations.
About brand image PPC in wiki is accursed about premine who cares that now ?...
Even IE won't make that even but community was managed get that 10000$ in few weeks - this is signal for developers there are money
i can offer some job and got well paid for it...
If IE wil keep promises that will bring BC on new lvl that which is needed to distance it from copy cat alts.
To be higher than alts you need to show that you are stronger and make something that is hard to coppy like
coinkite,bc card... if we do Wallstreet event...
Wallstreet is more for show others that BC is stronger than speculative rest...
Doge with Nascar-Jamajka-Doge for watter-Dogecon shows that they are able do more than 99% other coins.
PPC will sit at place it will be behind of new strong coins approaching like : Etherum,Emunie,NEM,Exo - new code not copies.
Like Ethereum,MSC bigger moneys inside ( focus those competitors now shit copies in long run money will go there)