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Still can't decide on that hardware wallet... Roll Eyes

I want to dodge the ledger(s), originally wanted to choose a follow-up hw wallet as cold storage.
Now, when coming to feature sets, security design and even price, the choices are almost no-brainers, but going through the FUD and spam with the ledger's, i started to question the need of a hw wallet at all.
I could live with seedword lists and computers, but there will be less convenience in some usecases and security of storing the words would become even more crucial.

On the other hand, i like Passport's and Coldcard's stuff and have the required bucks to spend...

I've used Trezor since 2013, love their devices and you can even flash BTC only firmwares on it. Have owned a few Ledgers as well (I like to tinker) but Trezor is where it's at for me

Was about to post the same thing. I've had two Trezors, the original Model One since 2017, and, more recently, the Safe 3. Absolutely no issues, and very satisfied. Between the two, I'd pick the Safe 3, as it allows everything to be done via its screen and buttons (no PC keyboard necessary, although you can still use it for convenience), and it also includes a Secure Element.

About Ledger, I bought two of them (I think it was the Nano S), one for me and one for a friend. Never opened mine, and ended up gifting it to another friend, so I don't have any experience on its use. Although I've heard positive things about their wallets, after the user data breach that happened to the company a few years ago, I lost confidence in them.

I'd recommend the Trezor Safe 3. I just saw there is now a new model, the Safe 5, with a color touchscreen. If you're into this sort of thing and expect to be using the wallet frequently, you can get that one for the convenience of the touchscreen. The Safe 3 is ideal for me, as I like its simplicity and don't use it very often.

The older models without the secure element are the Trezor one and the Model T.

The newer models with the secure element are the Safe 3 and the Safe 5.

Yes the models are similar in terms of size between the trezor one and the safe 3. The model T and the safe 5 both have color touch screens.

All 4 of the models have similar features, including the ability to have an infinite number of passphrase wallets.

I am pretty sure that the models with the secure element are less open source than the models without the secure element, since so far there has not been any secure element software that is completely open sourced. So then there can be a question regarding who is your potential attack vector, and if some bad actor gets physical access to your device, then the older models without the secure element would be more vulnerable to that attack angle.

The secure element will help with the physical attack vector, but it does not help with potential back door vulnerabilities since from my understanding so far there is not a way to get a secure element that is completely open source.

Trezor proclaims to be striving to be as open source as they are able to be, including their ongoingly working on making a secure element that can be open sourced, which seems to be a worthy aspiration to be as open sourced as possible. Many of us likely suspect that these bitcoin-related companies get various pressures from governments, so it cannot always be known how much they are having to share information or to write software in ways that governments find acceptable.. and so areas of not knowing (not being open source) can create concerns about ways that information could be compromised or unknown back doors could be present. I don't claim to know technical intricacies in regards to how exactly to weigh trade offs.

You know another claim against the Trezor is to say that the USB cable is vulnerable, so that there are air-gapped wallets, like the passport and the coldcard... so there can be trade offs with usability and privacy/security.

they now allow long number strings to get into the trezor.

you can do 10 ,15 , 20 number code to open the trezor

and a passphrase once you are in.

along with the 24 word seed if it breaks.

the bottomline is five dollar wrench 🔧 attack defeats the wallet and most any thing you do.

do I feel safe otherwise yeah i am safe enough. other than the five dollar wrench attack.