Quote from: BADecker on December 23, 2024, 11:21:12 PM

Quote from: paxmao on December 23, 2024, 10:31:25 PM

Quote from: o48o on December 23, 2024, 12:00:50 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 23, 2024, 09:11:45 AM

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.
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I see that you are ignoring my point about Donald planning to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine? Donald also seem to want Europeans to form stronger armies. And definitely one reason for him wanting this is, that he will benefit from weapon contracts that it would bring. And after that he is definitely incentivized to keep the war going.

I am not even touching all the psychological projection of Zelenskyy, because i understand how difficult it must be to cope what Donald is.

Your deep state arguments are more transparent, weaker and more revealing than you think, but i totally understand your need for that feeling of someone controlling everything.

BA does not necessarely feel the need to make sense. He can say one thing and the oposite just to keep walltexting on behalf of China. NATO was an alliance to stop the Soviet Union. NATO is still an alliance to mostly stop Ruzzia and possibly now China from threatening liberal democracies.

Once Ruzzia goes to war, it is obvious that you will need to spend monay to deter agression. That is not war-mongering, that is peace mongering. This is as old as Stormy Daniel's job to the point that there is an ancient say "si vis pacem, parabellum" - if you want peace prepare for war.

Again, it is time for Europe to become a military power of its own. The whole of Europe has only a basic army and the dependence on the US has been proven to be a problem now that US people are OK with leaving their partners to fend for themselves.

Russia has shown over and over that they are a peace-loving country.

The war was started by Ukraine in or before 2014.

Russia finally had to invade in 2022 just to stop the Ukrainian war.
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This is as usual false information, to the point that it belongs in a parallel universe.

There was a treaty by which Ukraine - a peace loving country - gave away their nukes for guarantees of protection - which have failed (that is the US failing once more to live to promises).

Ruzzia invaded Crimea in 2014 - there was not war whatsoever, the only reason was that Ukraine was considering not leasing Sebastopol to Ruzzia - which is their right as sovereign country.

Ruzzia was waging war in Ukraine - not the opposite - in the Dombas region - we are talking 2 Ruzzia army corps fighting and posing as "rebels" but financed 100% from Moscow. Then Ruzzia decided to up this a notch with their botched "special operation".

Not even the most abject of the Kremlin apologists dares to say that "Ukraine attacked Ruzzia" - you need a dumBAss like you for that job.