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Is this your understanding about trading and investor?, if so that means you also don't understand the clarification you were trying to make because you did not explain it the way it should be and I would have agreed to it if I did not understand what those things means but since I can differentiate the both, your definition about the trader and investor needs to be adjusted or amended because an investor is not a short term holder or even someone who acquired a lot of other cryptocurrency aside from Bitcoin because the moment you came up with a short term investment you already put yourself on the trading side, investor has only a unique word and that's long term.

if you have your personal suggestion you can educate us more and forgets about criticism, most of you doesn't know the similarity between trading and investment, someone who trade is like someone sells constantly to make a little profit, why someone who is investor is looking at target because its target the person need most, that is why you that risk takers always make more money why the poor is not ready to risk, investors have target of what they will profit for their investment.

You have some kind of understanding in the difference between a trader and an investor, there is no doubt about that but I will simply want to add a little to what you already said because when it comes to bitcoin, there is a clear distinction between a trader and an investor. A trader, like you said, buys and sell within a short time whereas as investor holds for a long time. The key point is that one is constantly exposing his money to risk because when the trade is placed, a stop loss is set as well as a take profit. When the trade hits the stop loss, the trader is losing money, unfortunately, this happens more than the take profits which makes trading a very risky thing to do. On the other hand, the investor have his money stored and kept somewhere and with time the money will keep growing, he is not taking any risk neither is he wasting time with complex analysis. The beauty of investing is just enormous and can never be compared to trading that constantly raises the blood pressure of the trader.

I completely agreed with you on this and I will also add that one common thing (risk)that is generally associated with a trader is that they end up making purchases with an amount that they can not be comfortable with and sometimes some can even go to the extend of borrowing money to make purchases because they are carried away with making short term profits that is very uncertain and unrealistic, they panic when an asset is dipping and most times sell at lost and nobody gets to hear about it but when they make a profit the news will be all over the place while an investors with a long term investment plan will quietly purchase his asset with an amount they be comfortable with while their asset keep growing over time without making so much noise.

In as much as I will love to say you are right, I think there are also investors who does similar thing and these are investors who doesn't actually understand the market and how it works just like traders who doesn't understand how trading works because a learned trader and also a learned investor will never borrow money to trade or invest but this days it actually do happen, I have seen someone who called himself an investor going to borrow money to investor which is lack of knowledge and I have also seen someone who called himself a trader going to borrow money which is also lack of knowledge and perhaps greed, some people don't know that is better not to trade and invest than going to borrow money to invest and trade because when any of them go contrary it is a problem.

There are some reasons when a Bitcoin investor can borrow money which is when he or she has an emergency and his emergency funds was not able to solve the emergency he can borrow money instead of dipping hands into his Bitcoin in as much as he or she has a source of income that he can use to pay back.
Just few months back I was facing an emergency issue which exhausted all my backup funds and I still needed more money so I decided to borrow money and settle the emergency and when I received my salary for the month I paid back the money I borrowed.
One can also borrow money to accumulate aggressively when there's a dip, for example if you are using the DCA strategy and you have exhausted your backup funds or you don't have a backup funds at all you can borrow money and use it to accumulate aggressively during that dip, as long as you have a means of paying back with ease, if for example you are working and they are paying you $2k monthly and your expenses for a month is $500 that means you have $1500 as your Discretionary income monthly, and maybe you have a situation where you want to borrow $500 to accumulate aggressively on a dip and if the month runs down you pay back I don't think something is wrong with that, as long as you have the means of paying back the money you borrowed without dipping hands into your Bitcoin or it leading you into finance distress then is not wrong if it will then is wrong.