I doubt any of this is as dramatic as you are making it out to be.


I did not come to any conclusion, except sure I was probably inclined towards calling it a voluntary activity rather than work, even though there were obligations involved too.. and I suppose that I was largely describing that activity as an example in which a person might end up getting paid pretty sizable amounts for his activities and also getting paid more than once for doing the same thing.


sure.  Further examples of different kinds of activities that show certain kinds of obligations that might come from owning things, choosing to buy more things or even entering into relations in which a retired person might have to oversee someone else doing work.. which is a kind of work to oversee the other person, especially if it is a BIG project that is chosen to be done.and even the project might end up bringing in money..as I mentioned in some of my earlier examples..


We seem to share some ideas and differ in some of our perspective, to the extent that any of it matters, which you seem to think the RE part matters, and I don't attach so much specificity to what counts or does not count, even though I provided some examples in which you could potentially choose for yourself in regards if they constitute work or not.. and some of my examples seem to contradict some of your prior assertions regarding what might be considered work or not work.


Perhaps what it is remains less important than you are seeming to want to outline it to be within your parameters of seeming to want to ongoingly battle about it.. and perhaps we might even end up agreeing that the FI portion is much more important than the RE portion.. even though achieving the FI portion may well have a lot of significance for some one to choose to partially or even completely discontinue earlier activities that had been sources of his income to pay his monthly bills through such income that he is giving up and presumptively converting over to other forums of income.. such as using various aspects of his retirement funds.. whether he might have a pension might be another source of income that might be part of an immediate formula, or maybe he starts to draw a pension at a later date, if that might be one of his income sources.


Sounds like exaggeration to me.. especially since conditions likely vary in terms of when guys might discontinue work and even there is not a lot of commonality in terms of folks around the world either establishing investment accounts or knowing how to preserve them, manage them or to  draw from them, in the event that those billions of people have some commonalities in their knowledge about how to retire early or how to get to a status of financial independence, which also seems to be a prerequisite to being able to discontinue paid work perhaps in a way that is earlier than otherwise expected.


I doubt it is productive for you to be going on and on about the various ways that I supposedly failed.


I doubt any of this is even relevant.


I thought that you already put me in the idiot group, so why are you continuing to discuss these matters?


One thing is that bitcoin is designed to go up forever, so if you think that if bitcoin goes to a certain price, then you are selling it, that seems to be problematic from my point of view.


I think that there are trade offs, and it is not always clear whether you might invest in yourself and develop skills, and sure it could have been better use of your money to just buy bitcoin, yet sometimes young people have little to no money, so they may well be spending a lot of time learning, but not engaging in employment, so they are not earning money during time that they are studying, yet they may well be expecting that at the end of their studies they may well end up getting a job that pays them way more and also gives them way more options at various points down the road.  It can be difficult to know which path forward is better, and surely there are some job opportunties that may well ONLY come from someone with a degree or maybe someone who met person with connections while they were a university student.  I believe that I personally was able to get some opportunities that were largely based on my college education and various kinds of work that I did in preparation for college that looked good on my resume and did not lock me into lower end kinds of jobs that may well would have otherwise been within my options had I not pursued the college path.. and surely I think that the higher paying jobs made up for the time that I was not paid.. ... yet the question is not always obvious since it is difficult to figure out what the other path would have had been, since college for me did involve entering into quite a bit of debt, too... it took a while to pay back the debt, but the level of pay still seemed to have had made up for the extra expenses.  it is not easy for any of us to answer for anyone else and it is not even  easy to know our own various trade-offs that we might not completely know after we had chosen to take one path instead of another path.


Selling your house is one thing, and choosing to not even buy a house (defer the purchase) is another thing.  I remember times in which folks were really excited about selling their bitcoin and getting into real estate, which I know is an ongoing lingering dilemma for some folks.