Quote from: legiteum on Today at 12:39:07 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 16, 2025, 10:58:41 PM

You are the only one full of shit.
[...]What a drama queen you are.[...]
You seem to just love making up shit and making up categories so that you can create drama, [...]

My original point was that El Salvador's latest move embracing Tether, when they have previously been so focused on Bitcoin, is a sign that they are looking for other solutions that Bitcoin cannot address, even though Bitcoin is literally written into the law there. And insofar as El Salvador is looking past Bitcoin and instead to a competitor, this is a negative development for Bitcoin.

I doubt that you have provided facts or logic to support your assertion that any kind of embracing of Tether or providing of alliances with Tether or acknowledgement from El Salvador that Tether can provide its headquarters in El Salvador rises to any kind of meaningful "moving away" from bitcoin as you are alleging. It seems that El Salvador should be completely capable of continuing forward with their varioous bitcoin-related endeavors and allowing, permitting and/or embracing Tether to come and create their company headquarters in El Salvador. These do not seems to be one or the other kinds of zero sum game plays as you seem to be wanting to argue such a seemingly lame and/or ill supported (lacking in facts and logic) kind of position.

Quote from: legiteum on Today at 12:39:07 AM

I think this is a very defensible point, and given that the only response has been... personal attacks, I would say that the point has held up quite well.

I will let my various earlier responses speak for themselves, to the extent that various personal attacks might have had been justifiably weaved into my pointing out of your seeming ongoing disgenuinness in raising your various quasi-retarded claims that are lacking in both facts and/or logic while you had been striving to get me (and potentially other members) to provide evidence and logic to back up a position contrary to your lame-ass dumb positions, which surely is not even close to required since your lame-ass, baseless and potentially purposefully disingenuine arguments are hardly even worthy of discussing.

Sure, you are free to believe whatever dumb shit that you like, and you are also free to deny that you are the one who failed to support your nonsense and likely justifying that you receive personal attacks due to the seemingly high level of your dumbness and disingenuineness in your continuing to want to propagate such lame and baseless arguments.. If you want to be treated more seriously then maybe you need to provide better claims and to back them up a wee bit moar better?

Quote from: tvbcof on Today at 03:00:46 AM

To the degree that 'Satoshi' might have advocated it, he was probably being a bit deceptive in order to obtain mindshare back in the early days. As I and others argued, L2, when developed, would resolve these issues while bolstering L1 Bitcoin instead of destroying it or compromising the original principles.

I have trouble considering how Satoshi could have had been being deceptive in the various ways that he might have had anticipated bitcoin to have had been scaling or any abilities that might have existed to resolve some of the growth (scaling) issues in advance. Even when on chain fees go up, there can be questions regarding the causes, and there can be questions regarding the extent to which some other solutions are being built or can be used as alternative ways to transact.

Surely the most expensive of transactions are still able to go through on L1 bitcoin and can even be financially justified, so surely when fees go up, then the lower value transactions are the ones that are getting squeezed, and most likely if bitcoin continues to have fee based incentives, then it is likely going to continue to become more and more expensive to transact on L1, and surely many of us likely realize that all transactions do not have to take place on L1, yet at the same time, we also know that the on boarding or even building of bitcoin stashes and investments for people with lower incomes can become locked out of having their own UTXOs, and surely the solutions are likely going to continue to be ongoing in regards to the various ways that L2 or L3 transactions are going to end up being resolved back to L1 and also surely questions regarding the extent to which the L2 or L3 transactions are sufficient pegged to bitcoin versus potentially no longer being bitcoin or even devolving into some kind of shitcoin that is merely feigning itself to be sufficiently pegged to bitcoin when it is not.

More than 14 years after Satoshi disappeared, I am surely not claiming to know the answers to the various scaling questions, and I doubt that Satoshi was deceiving in terms of his realizing that bitcoin was likely going to have various scaling challenges that might not be specifically resolvable in advance.

Quote from: legiteum on Today at 04:59:42 AM

I have no problem with an L2--heck, I built the fastest one in the world--

Yes. The level of the dumb shit you say may well be attributed to your wanting to market your shitcoin.. Too bad, and so sad that your contribution is not taking off as you expected. Perhaps if you figured out ways to align yourself a wee bit better with the success of bitcoin, then you might find that you might have growth in your project too... perhaps? I have my doubts about your ability to even create any kind of legitimate project, especially when you are framing your project as a competitor to bitcoin.

Quote from: legiteum on Today at 04:59:42 AM

Bitcoin will always be remembered in El Salvador as the catalyst to get them a more advanced financial system.

There is no need to remember bitcoin with fondness of the past, since bitcoin is continuing to grown and will continue to grow.

Sure, there is still going to be a bitcoin history, and various parts of history that will be remembered more fondly than others, yet I see no reason to speculate bitcoin as if it were anything other but an ongoingly growing phenomena with greater and greater building and also more and more powerful network effects, so in that regard, if you have any product, you should be striving to figure out ways to plug yourself into bitcoin...

Perhaps a bit of an ironic thing is that you are seeing yourself (and your project) as a competitor to both Bitcoin and Tether, yet it seems quite likely that both Bitcoin and Tether are kicking your ass and will continue to kick your ass if you cannot consider some ways to build your own time, energies and values in alliance with the winners instead of continuing to try to proclaim that you are offering some kind of a superior product, when there is no evidence and/or logic to really establish the points that you seem to be trying to promote. In other words, it seems that you would be way better off to figure out ways to jump on either the bitcoin or the tether train, rather than ongoingly fighting them.