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You live and die by what governments do now.

Yes.. governmental decisions have effects on the lives of people in a variety of ways.

I agree, but every day here in these forums there's at least a hundred posts that insist that "Bitcoin cannot be controlled by any government" LOL.

Instead of making some kind of blanket statement regarding what people think governments can do or cannot do, or proclaiming that there is some kind of a spokesperson for bitcoin, maybe you should attempt to be more specific.

You are probably right, technically speaking. But I assumed my statement about many (most?) people's sentiments about Bitcoin being a hedge against government control was not a controversial one.

There are probably ways to make statements without overly attributing what people think, including that people are all over the fucking place, and even if some people voted for Trump, they might have regretted their decision the next day. Another thing is that perhaps with any election, some folks might vote for one candidate or another because they think that they are less worse than the other, so for example with Trump and bitcoin (or even crypto), there were likely a lot of folks who merely concluded that Trump it seemed quite logical that Trump would be less hostile to bitcoin (and Crypto) than Harris based on some of his statements, but also based on his actions of getting into all kinds of crypto, shitcoins and scams (even him being a convicted criminal himself), it likely seemed way less likely that Trump would be hostile towards bitcoin (and Crypto) than Harris - and even though Harris would not necesarily going to be the same as Biden, there was already quite a bit of evidence that Biden had been quite hostile to both Bitcoin and crypto, and Harris was not clearly and/or unambigously clarifying that she would be less hostile, so likely Trump came off as the lesser of two evils, including that it frequently does not seem that Americans have a lot of good choices in front of them when it comes to all kinds of leaders and the fact that they seem to engage in a lot of lying and leaving some sense of futility in regards to what any politician might be able to accomplish in regards to various perceived economic impacts on the lives of people.. and if there were continuous statements from Biden and Harris proclaiming that things were getting better in the economy, it is not really likely that an overwhelming majority of the population believed those claims and surely they might even have had voted against Trump for other reasons, yet there can be several kinds of issues that exist that cause votes to go one way or another, and bitcoiners are not even just bitcoiners, they have other issues that might concern them too.. so even if Trump's stance on bitcoin (and crypto) might have had some decent sway in getting him over the line and into office, it is not like everyone (including all bitcoiners) are going to feel the same about the topic or the various ways to support bitcoin or not or even whether hostility will be reduced or various kinds of political actions that might cause them to support the current administration or not....and not that there is a whole hell-of-a-lot of choice once an administration is already in place.. there is a decent amount of leeway that they get to carry out their vision, even if their vision might have a lot of flaws (and self-centeredness) too.

As you said you can't ever know how people will vote and why they do it as they have different motives. One can be that you don't know what to vote of those who were in charge, so you vote for the biggest idiot out there to make it a counter vote. I am not that way, but I have heard a lot of people saying that.

But now talking about hostility towards bitcoin, isn't it getting weirder and weirder that Trump launches a scam meme shitcoin and now Melania did the same (my lord this is embarrassing) and it has huge volume and I think a combined market cap of 8-9 billion. Trump was at almost 15 billion market cap and if you have a look at the specifications of the coin, that's a hard scam. I think 80% remains in Trump's hands or somehow under control with a vesting schedule (we all know these vesting schedules too well from shitcoins) and there is surely not going to be any development. Some people made a lot of cash and some people are now losing big time, and it's motly those losing who don't have insider info or were the first to receive and to dump their coins.

I don't know if Trump still wants the strategic bitcoin reserve, but that they used the inauguration moment and the publicity to launch memecoins for him and his wife is ridiculous.

If Bukele would have tried the same thing with DOGE, I don't know anyone would have ever taken him seriously. I don't like that they are making fun of people and capitalize on their supporters, but it's the dump supporters who now really think that Trumpcoin is the next big thing. But this is how he gains the support. Some will make money because they won't play but only play market dynamics, but I think might be quite a lot of people who don't have a big clue about bitcoin and how these other shitcoin markets work. They will lose.