Quote from: sotelorene on January 21, 2025, 09:40:26 PM

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When looking at both of traders and investors, I wonder why most people would just choose a difficult path of an easy part, and the funny thing there is that, trading have no significant changes on your finances status, it's just for minimal gains that will just improve your life for the time being, if you don't lose all your money in the process, but in the case of investing in Bitcoin, it's just like and easy ride to greatness because even a newbie investors can buy Bitcoin with any accumulating strategy of it choice, once he or she is able to acquire a very good stash of it, his duty is to hold for a very long period of time, and all the requirement needed to achieve that is to have a reliable source of income and an emergency funds set aside so as to be able to withstand any emergencies that may arise in the future without you dipping hands into your holds.

It is assumed that with trading you can make profit faster than you will do with investing by buying bitcoin either at a lump-sum or with the DCA approach and hold for a long period of years before making profit.

For such people it's believe that before the time you get to wait to have your bitcoin investment matured, if you were trading you could have made much more but that's a blatant lie and deceptive, because profit making in trading is never guaranteed as it is with long term hodling on your bitcoin investment plan which comes with huge ROI. Bitcoin investment is similar to making and building a savings for the future just by following the bitcoin investment rules.

Yes, sometimes people are fooled by the instant results they get from trading. They think that trading can double their money quickly, when in reality this is just a fantasy that can make the person fall into the abyss of loss. This is where we have to have patience and choose a safer path even though the journey is long (investing). Because the results obtained from a long struggle will certainly be more meaningful and will have very good uses. Because we invest in bitcoin, we definitely have a goal that can definitely make our future brighter. Meanwhile, as you said, the results of trading are only temporary and do not guarantee that the money you get can change our future. Therefore, even though it takes a long time to wait for the results we get from investing in Bitcoin. But believe me this will not make us disappointed with this action.

In as much as I am not a fan of trading but I will also like you to know that trading can double ones money that is if the trading goes as planned or as predicted, even in Bitcoin before you will be able to have a good return that is twice or trice of your money you have to be consistent and maintain the process and keep it burning else you won't be able to make out something tangible even though you call yourself an investor.

However, despite the risk involve in trading people still make profit so I think we should not talk like trading is meaningless even though we are not a fan of it because there are people who are making money from it and some have an academy where they teach people.

You seem lost sotelorene, since: 1) this is not a trading thread, 2) you are pumping trading and trying to act like it is no bad and it might be profitable and 3) you are likely talking out of your ass to the extent that hardly anyone who is trading can actually beat bitcoin, especially the longer the timeframe, such as 2 cycles or more.

There are other places (threads where you can compare/contrast trading or even pump it.

Of course there is a little ambiguity in this thread based on the idea of buying on the dip, yet the full name of the thread is: Buy the DIP, and HODL!... even though there have been some variations of the threads name, yet the thrust of the thread is figuring out various ways to buy and accumulate bitcoin with long term intentions, and not intentions of selling... .. trading involves selling, and we are not talking about selling as a means to accumulate more bitcoin. You might disagree, yet you are still off topic here if you think that selling is a good strategy to get more bitcoin and you want to promote those kinds of ideas in this thread.

It is hard enough for bitcoiners to just stick to buying bitcoin, building up their BTC stash and even managing their cashflow so that they can put themselves in a better position to buy bitcoin on a regular basis....and for some reason you want us to talk about trading too or to presume that you actually have any kind of meaningful chances (besides gambling) to do better in terms of trading rather than buying bitcoin regularly.

Your other point about investing not being easy since you have to hold long enough to be profitable is largely true, and many times we recommend to come to bitcoin investing with a 4-10 years or longer timeline so that there is an intention to invest rather than trade, and sure bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable, even after 4-10 years or longer, yet bitcoin is not any stupid ass shitcoin as you seem to be suggesting that the idea of having to invest a long time is some kind of a unrealistic burden.. and you are also seeming to be overly focused on whether you are in profits or not so that you can cash out, which also seems to be more of the framework of a trader rather than an investor, so it could be the case that you don't even know what investing is, yet you still want to talk about investing as if you know what it is?

Quote from: sotelorene on January 21, 2025, 09:40:26 PM

Off course money gotten from trading can be used to change someone's future if it is been utilize properly and again even money gotten from our Bitcoin investment, if it is not properly used or manage after taking it when it is due, can be a waste and I believe a wise person wouldn't want to useless his or her years of holding rather they will utilize it. This is not a trading discussion perhaps we should stop bringing up trading talks and comparing it with Bitcoin investment because they are two different thing.

Perhaps we should attempt to focus on investing, yet you seem to be the one who seems inclined to bash investing and to talk well of trading.. so you may well be the one who has a bit of chip on his shoulder in regards to wanting trading to be thought of in a better way.. when it also seems that you are struggling with your own differentiation of trading and investing and you seem to be quite focused on profits, which seems to be muddying up your own way of trying to differentiate trading and investing.