Quote from: Despairo on Today at 04:15:54 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 02:43:44 AM

I don't think the forum should allow mixers until there is some form of policy on how these mixers work. We need decentralized solutions, not centralized ones, if the forum wants to succeed with mixers and if users are to be safe. Bitcoin has evolved a lot since the ban, creating decentralized mixers can work, so I would hope that the community rally together to build a decentralized framework in comparison to relying on anonymous individuals who abuse the forum and its people.

If we're waiting for the policy, it will high likely illegal because most people see mixer is bad instead of good. The government might make it legal, but the mixer will act like a honeypot because they're working with the government.

The decentralized solutions to increase privacy in Bitcoin is called CoinJoin and the forum still allow that, although it's not really effective to hide your trace compared to mixer.

I agree that it is both far-fetched and unlikely that the forum or governments/policy makers will change their stance on mixers. I'm just adding my input on if they were to be re-added.

Quote from: Despairo on Today at 04:15:54 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 02:43:44 AM

I don't think the forum should allow mixers until there is some form of policy on how these mixers work. We need decentralized solutions, not centralized ones, if the forum wants to succeed with mixers and if users are to be safe. Bitcoin has evolved a lot since the ban, creating decentralized mixers can work, so I would hope that the community rally together to build a decentralized framework in comparison to relying on anonymous individuals who abuse the forum and its people.

The decentralized solutions to increase privacy in Bitcoin is called CoinJoin and the forum still allow that, although it's not really effective to hide your trace compared to mixer.

Yes, hence if mixers are re-allowed due to their good intention to preserve privacy, and a requirement for them to be decentralized and non-custodial is something that comes with the re-allowance, then this will cause innovation that might produce better solutions than CoinJoin.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 08:14:31 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 02:43:44 AM

If this forum does allow mixers again then a problem needs to be addressed:

How do we stop mixers coming to the forum, running large budget signature campaigns and running off with the loot when the reserve becomes large enough?

I don't think the forum should allow mixers until there is some form of policy on how these mixers work. We need decentralized solutions, not centralized ones, if the forum wants to succeed with mixers and if users are to be safe. Bitcoin has evolved a lot since the ban, creating decentralized mixers can work, so I would hope that the community rally together to build a decentralized framework in comparison to relying on anonymous individuals who abuse the forum and its people.

Why would the forum waste its resources fighting privacy services? Don't you think that's a bit of an oxymoron?

Theymos gave the ban button to the mixers, they're not coming back here for our own good.

Not at all. It's not wasting time and resources to require that a mixer is non-custodial and decentralized. My comment was in the event that mixers were allowed again, I'm not for or against them...I am, however, for decentralized and non-custodial technologies, and against scams, so if they are allowed again, then all I am saying is that this should be a requirement.