Quote from: rachael9385 on Today at 07:45:10 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 05:58:03 PM

Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable.
If you do not use leverage then you are guaranteed that the most that you could lose is 100% of what you invested. It is misleading to proclaim that bitcoin is guaranteed to make profits.

Many folks invest into bitcoin aggressively because they believe that the odds are pretty high that it is going to have a higher value (price) in the future as compared today and even accounting for the debasement of the dollar. There are also a lot of upside scenarios that make bitcoin amongst the best (if not the best) of asymmetric bets the upside, but even if bitcoin is amongst the best, it still is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future as you are proclaiming.

Well you are correct but am probably sure that making 50% of profits in the next 10 years is kind of 40% guaranteed.

Surely you are free to consider various scenarios that you deem relevant to yourself and assign probability to those various scenarios, including that you might even choose your level of aggressiveness towards bitcoin buying and your bitcoin allocation in accordance with your probability assignments, which likely your probability assignments are ongoingly changing since facts in the world change, and some facts in the worlds might affect your probabilities greater than other facts in the world, and some facts in the world could strengthen, weaken or even break the strength of your bitcoin investment thesis.

Quote from: rachael9385 on Today at 07:45:10 PM

However, some folks invest aggressively in bitcoin as you said because they are 100% profit minded investors.

Investing aggressive does not mean that you have assigned probabilities of 100% guarantee to bitcoin, even though surely anyone considering anything 100% guaranteed and investing in that kind of way sounds to me like an out of touch gambler rather than an investor.

Quote from: rachael9385 on Today at 07:45:10 PM

But I still doubt that they can invest for long term mostly when they observes that they aren't making any profits at the moment they might sell at a lower price.

Even traders don't necessarily sell at a loss, except under extreme circumstances. Frequently the underperformance of traders come from skimming off profits too frequently or locking in profits, and then missing out on a lot of upside and compounding based on their not being in the trade at times that they should have had been, which happens a lot in bitcoin... so for example a person who trades might claim that he has 10x profits in bitcoin over the past 10 years of trading bitcoin, but then the accumulator holder of bitcoin might show you that he has close to 100x in profits just from accumulating (perhaps front loading) and holding his BTC through the past 10 years.

Quote from: rachael9385 on Today at 07:45:10 PM

Actually, profits is not guaranteed on Bitcoin investment that's why one need to invest with what they can afford to lose (from their leverage).
I believe that an experienced Bitcoin investor knows the risks on bitcoin investment as Bitcoin might dip at any moment so they will not invest aggressively on it.

There is nothing wrong with investing aggressive, as long as you do not invest over aggressive. Maybe an aggressive investor might invest 25% of his income (or 70% of his discretionary income into bitcoin), yet an over aggressive investor might invest even more and/or go beyond his discretionary income and might use leverage and other kinds of instruments including using his emergency funds (or back up funds) to buy bitcoin when he had not calculated properly. Aggressive does not necessarily mean going over limits, which is part of the reason that I frequently suggest that investors into bitcoin should invest as aggressive as they can without over doing it.

Quote from: rachael9385 on Today at 07:45:10 PM

Some reasons why investor tend to invest in Bitcoin during the dip is probably because when it goes up they will make profits even though it's little, but those are short term investors and they always misses big opportunity.

I would suggest that anyone buying and then selling in the short to medium term to be traders. I would suggest regular investors would likely have a 10 year or more investment timeline, and short term investors might have a timeline of 4-10 years based on age or health considerations. We might not agree on terms and we might even end up in battles over disagreement about terms.

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Quote from: sotelorene on Today at 07:36:28 PM

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So they invest in bitcoin by DCA, or buy dip, then lumpsum is their desire because the goal is to buy bitcoin when they think the price is suitable.

If a person is investing into bitcoin and if they have a 4-10 year or longer investment timeline, they might not be too concerned about the BTC price. I will concede that there are likely folks who get overly worked up about the BTC price, and it might work to their disadvantage to get worked up about BTC price if they are either a no coiner or they might consider themselves as not adequately prepared for UP prices. The only way to prepare for up if you are not adequately prepared is to buy, and waiting does not prepare you for up, it ONLY prepares you for down.. which seems to ONLY be a good strategy for someone who has assessed that he already has enough bitcoin and/or preparation for up.

Quote from: Wolf of One Street on Today at 08:24:23 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 05:58:03 PM

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I don' t know why you cited my whole post, and I cannot see if you responded somewhere within your post or not.