Quote from: cAPSLOCK on February 12, 2025, 11:20:15 PM

Quote from: AlcoHoDL on February 12, 2025, 10:37:28 PM

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Quote from: AlcoHoDL on February 12, 2025, 09:41:06 PM

Thanks for this.

I have only good words to say about Proton. I've been using their secure (and free) webmail service without problems. It's the cleanest and most security-oriented webmail service I've found. OTOH, in most free services, the product is YOU, but I'd like to think Proton is an exception.

Yeah. I mostly trust them. But of course there are rumors. Whatever... we do the best we can. And their stuff is as good as google's but with (possibly) less spying.

It is interesting... most people do not realize what we have lost as email has been 100% captured. The WWW started out captured basically... but email? It was a cypherpunk protocol really. Just needed the users to encrypt their data.

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But this webwallet seems legit at a glance, and correctly implemented... And this is what Proton promises us they do (trust us!). So it is the original intent right? Hopefully. I actually upgraded to a paid plan ENTIRELY to support them, and so I had more space (so not entirely out of ideals?). They also have storage thing (like google drive) that is supposed to be similarly secure. I use that too...

I've been thinking about subscribing to a Proton paid plan, but there's an important issue: do they accept anonymous subscriptions (e.g., payment in cash sent to a physical address, or in Monero)? If not, then I simply cannot pay them, because paying them would reveal my identity, thus negating the very purpose of using Proton.

Sweden-based Mullvad VPN offers anonymous payments, and does this very efficiently. You just put cash in an envelope and post it anonymously to a physical address in Sweden, or pay with Monero (or Bitcoin, but Bitcoin is not really anonymous). There's no need to give an email address. Your account is a 16-digit, randomly generated number. That's all there is to it. Clean, simple, anonymous. As all such services should be. I urge everyone to try their service.

Yup. Mullvad is really legit. I pay them with Monero. Proton DOES accept BTC for payment. So you can be as anonymous as your practices (which is full of holes usually). I do it that way. And I use Aqua wallet... that way I can go lightning->liquid->BTC->Proton. I can throw a Monero step in there too if I would like... and you will NEVER know.

OK I feel a soapbox moment coming on... JJG is gonna batslap me. But some batslaps are worth it.

Bitcoin is the deal. We all know that. But privacy/fungability is a MAJOR MAJOR issue. And the religious maxi types will just mock/block you if you mention that not only is it a problem but it is STILL a problem in 2025!!! But MONERO is really the only solution. Still. STILL.

I don't buy shit off the darknet markets. But if I did. I WOULD NOT USE BTC IN ANY FORM. Monero ONLY in that case. The point is... it is not good enough to risk that sort of security scenario. So.. it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Yet.

Bitcoin needs to implement Monero level privacy on it's payment layers. The satanic information gobbling corporate layers are doing GREAT with their ETFs. (This is why I wrote here about ETFs being a double edged sword.) And there will be other info gobbling banks coming along ASAP I am sure. And great! Most people are probably OK with their info being... ... gobbled.

Pant... pant... ok I am a little too worked up.

Here's the thing...

TIME is valuable. (we only have so much)
EFFORT is valuable. (we can only DO so much)
PRIVACY is valuable. (If you can see everything I do then it changes what I can do, and how I can do it.)

Bitcoin OWNS the first two.

WE HAVE to take the third one. And we have to take it above the base layer.

I wish I was a developer... But... I am retarded.

That said...

Aqua wallet gets us much of the way there:
https://aqua.net/

welcome to the club, brother!