Quote from: nutildah on Today at 04:15:26 AM

This is perhaps what is funniest to me: the idea that Bitcointalk needs to do anything, other than exist. It doesn't need to change, evolve, adapt, or do anything except preserve the posts of Satoshi and other early contributors. The day that satoshi's posts change or disappear is the day I'll call it quits.

I guess this perspective should have been adopted when the topic of a new forum software came up, huh?

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 04:15:26 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on February 13, 2025, 11:42:25 AM

If everyone lived by that saying, no one would be guilty of anything. It's a cop out - but I don't care enough to continue this discussion.

I know you don't want to continue the discussion. You just want to criticize and then be free from having to explain yourself.

Entirely untrue. I already explained myself to the extent that I needed to, and if history is any indicator, explaining yourself on this forum is a severe waste of time, and ultimately nobody cares.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 04:15:26 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on February 13, 2025, 11:42:25 AM

It's obviously ruled and influenced by those who dominated it early, and by those who are close to theymos.

They "dominated it" through providing consistently valuable contributions, the same way the maintainers of Bitcoin Core have "dominated" bitcoin.

Sure, that was the only way people climbed up the ranks. No backdoor deals, no rubbing shoulders, no rigging of the trust system, and so on. Not at all. Everyone is innocent.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 04:15:26 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on February 13, 2025, 11:42:25 AM

It's obviously ruled and influenced by those who dominated it early, and by those who are close to theymos.

The fate of the forum was entrusted to theymos because he proved himself to have good leadership qualities, governing the forum in the same spirit of bitcoin governance.

I'm not going to contest why he was chosen as a leader, nor comment on overall leadership. I've already made the point multiple times that I'm more so criticizing the forum software specifically, rather than theymos and his leadership/administration.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 04:15:26 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on February 13, 2025, 11:42:25 AM

I've seen enough corruption to know that corruption exists,

Its an entirely opt-in system, and nobody ever claimed it was perfect. If you don't like it, move on. Nobody is keeping you here.

Personally I'm not sure we could ask for a better dictator. Things could have gone horribly awry and they really didn't. Instead, we have a careful balance of freedom of speech and a system that motivates people to behave in a (mostly) civilized manner. If you feel its "corrupt", why waste a single further second of your life here?

I'm exercising this freedom of speech you speak of. Now I must leave for doing so? Make up your mind. I've already said I enjoy most aspects of the forum, and specified the parts I don't. It didn't indicate that I 100% hate the forum, nor do I think I waste my time here. I get value from reading here, and I try to provide the same back in normal posting scenarios that don't involve politics. Just because high-ranking people on the forum are corrupt, does not mean I'm going to leave the forum...it's just a fact of the forum to deal with.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 04:15:26 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on February 13, 2025, 11:42:25 AM

That's a start if the forum wants to make a change - though honestly, I think it's too late. The way this forum is will not change, and if it does, it probably won't be done right, or will be usurped by those who are cozy with the way it is. Those who wanted to change it are probably already gone, and the ones with influence have such influence because of the way it is. All one can do at most is critique, but not expect change - nor fight for it, otherwise they'll likely lose a lot of time only to make next to no difference.

This is perhaps what is funniest to me: the idea that Bitcointalk needs to do anything, other than exist. It doesn't need to change, evolve, adapt, or do anything except preserve the posts of Satoshi and other early contributors. The day that satoshi's posts change or disappear is the day I'll call it quits.

This is perhaps what is funniest to me: the idea that a member sitting in the ivory tower of the current way of things says that things don't need to change, evolve, adapt or do anything except preserve its history.

I don't quite see the relevance of historic relics like satoshi's posts, why anyone would remove them, or who said the primary and only purpose of this forum is now to preserve those posts, and nothing else.