Quote from: Vod on February 15, 2025, 09:18:15 AM

Quote from: nutildah on February 15, 2025, 08:44:57 AM

Thanks Vod. And I don't want to argue with you either, but like with BenCodie, when you guys make these kind of allegations, you should really back them up with some kind of evidence. Otherwise it just seems like you're trying to undermine confidence in the forum and our Dear Leader... for what reasons I don't really understand.

I have no problem backing my statements up with evidence. I will do so tomorrow, as it is 2am where I am, and it is the sixth anniversary of my stroke so I intend to have a quiet night in.

Can you tell me what evidence you'd like? I have:

Theymos PMing me pretending to be neutral vs OG
Theymos sending out PMs ordering us to remove distrust on OG or face blacklist
Theymos paying OG to be a treasurer and setting him up on default trust
Theymos rewarding OG when he stole forked coins
Theymos deleting entire reddit threads that involve OG

etc...

I have no problem posting such evidence, but I do take pause at spending much time researching and typing in the information, only to have it deleted by a moderator. I have no idea what you think BenCodie does, but I want to maintain my position of trust in the community, so I will do as you ask.

Unlike Vod, I do not have leisurely free time to dig for what I've already seen, analyse the blockchain (for who knows how long it will take) to connect the financial dots, correctly annotate and format the information into a post that can not be disputed, only for it to not be cared about nor actioned. Both Nutildah and LoyceV know that it's a huge job, and use the "get evidence" card to achieve one of two things:
- Send me on a mission that will ultimately be ignored, thus winning by having me waste my time.
- Discredit me when I deny the call to get evidence.

Thank you for coming forward Vod, because if you didn't, they'd continually discredit me with statements such as "back up your evidence don't be like BenCodie" as punishment for speaking on the topic. Oh, what a non-corrupt community spirit that would have shined.

Quote from: nutildah on February 15, 2025, 02:32:54 AM

Quote from: BenCodie on February 14, 2025, 04:32:15 PM

I don't quite see the relevance of historic relics like satoshi's posts

Ah OK now I understand what the problem is. We have a fundamental difference in values, and that's fine, we'll leave it at that.

Yes, you're a part of/support corruption as it's in your interests to do so, while I don't...Happy to leave it at that too, that's where I was before we even started posting.

Quote from: nutildah on February 15, 2025, 02:32:54 AM

Quote from: Vod on February 15, 2025, 01:50:54 AM

Isn't it time to step down and let someone competent control the donated funds?

Who would that be, and how much should they be paid Cheesy

Spoken like a true corrupt individual. "Oh you want someone to do something for the community? How much are they going to be paid?"

I'd personally be happy to manage a signature of the donation wallet, listen to the community and their opinions when it comes to me giving a signature, and I'm happy to do it for free as I'm sure several others would be. Why for free? Because it takes fuck all effort to manage one signature and to sign it when called upon, and no one should have been paid to do that to begin with if it's a true community. Just about anyone who isn't corrupt and knows how to manage their part in a multi-signature wallet would surely agree.

...not surprising that LoyceV had a similar mentality:

Quote from: LoyceV on February 13, 2025, 11:34:44 AM

Quote from: hugeblack on February 13, 2025, 10:29:51 AM

I think creating an advisory board of trusted forum members before spending any money on development would help a lot.

First point on the agenda: the salary of the forum board members Tongue

How you have both completely forgotten about the community doing something for free for the forum is astounding, and for me, raises the question for LoyceV - how much have you made from the donation wallet? (Of course I don't count on there being blockchain evidence since I'm sure there's a relationship between the donation wallet and the reason why mixers were rampant on the forum, oops, should I not have said that last part? I digress...) You make out on your website as if you do it all for charity, but what is your real motivation? You know, because everyone must get paid for even as little as giving advice before spending money on development, so I could only imagine there was a price or motivation behind that all of the works that you've done "for the forum"?

Quote from: nutildah on February 15, 2025, 02:32:54 AM

Its always going to be a conundrum, but not for me, as it doesn't involve me and I could care less. Haven't heard any of the original donors complain about the "problem" in years, anyway.

Probably because they all gave up hope. That's how a donation starts...a hope for something better, then either happiness for what they contributed to creating, or loss of hope that it ultimately meant nothing. By that point, who is going to be bothered saying anything or complain, when it'll be met with "it was a donation what are you complaining about"?. That's the dark side of charities and donations, ladies and gentlemen.

Quote from: NotATether on February 15, 2025, 08:47:56 PM

A reminder that Epochtalk is open source and anyone can pick up the development from where they left off. And even the original dev team stated they will still work on an independent version.

After Bitcointalk Search is up, I plan to make a read-only version of the forum using the archived posts that can be viewed from some Epochtalk lookalike.

That being said, any project that does not get enough manhours assigned to it is going to fail.

Give me the fiat equivalent of what was spent on epochtalk, heck even a tenth of it, and I'll commandeer a project that will build something even better than epochtalk from scratch.

People are quick to say "oh it's open source and anyone can develop it" or in suchmoon's words:

Quote from: suchmoon on February 05, 2025, 02:05:21 AM

You can fix it up, run a demo, and we'll all pile on to make fun of it.

Though it seems you are overlooking the incentive to do so - there is none for as long as this forum exists. A new forum software would need to be built from scratch, by a different team, it's not a simply community effort or something a dev can do in a day. it's an entire project - hence it got donations to begin with, and why people gave it years before asking where it's at.

Also, the original dev stated they will work on an independent version? I wouldn't want anyone to hold their breathe after the last decade, or that even when it's done, that it'll be anywhere near competitive with any other forum software. They had their chance, they screwed it up. If epochtalk was built in 1-2 years (normal project time for even casual development), the community could have continued building it or made it greater (as open source projects with good communities goes), though the reality is that even if it is done in the next 1, 2, 5 years, it's not only going to be outdated, it's not going to have the same motivated and strong bitcointalk community to continue building on it. That is something permanently lost, whether epochtalk is done or not.

Quote from: NotATether on February 15, 2025, 08:47:56 PM

Wallet extensions like Metamask and Ethereum turn every site into a Web3 site because of Ethereum EIPs 6963 and 1193. I realized this after I had accidentially connected the DOGE website to my coinbase wallet while fooling around in devtools.

Yes and no. It's a key component however that's not how one should not classify a website as Web3 based on whether they allow you to connect with a wallet extension or not. There are other conditions that vary a project/app on where it sits between Web2 and Web3.

Quote from: Vod on February 15, 2025, 10:44:31 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on February 15, 2025, 10:09:22 AM

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within a couple years this would be a modern Web3 forum

That sounds just like another buzz-word mostly used by DeFi-scams. I'd leave this forum if it turns into some dynamic moving site where algorithms decide what I get to read.

A modern forum can provide both a dynamic buzz type content, or a static one, depending on your preference. We can't be wary of new technologies because we're not familiar with them.

Fully agree Vod. Those who are afraid or wary of new technologies (or not anything) though are intelligent enough to comprehend them, are corrupt. There's no ifs or buts. Jaime Daimon knew the threat that Bitcoin was to the money system, he understood economics and money (being the CEO of a bank), and yet he stood there and called it a scam and shot it down to zero - this is no different in the case of LoyceV, who is disappointingly and eerily sounding the same:

Quote from: LoyceV on February 15, 2025, 10:09:22 AM

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within a couple years this would be a modern Web3 forum

That sounds just like another buzz-word mostly used by DeFi-scams.

Web3 means open source, it means decentralized back-end infrastructure (no private code or servers), and it means community governed. Yes, people abuse the term "web3" because it is such a powerful thing if true, and a thing that a non-tech person wouldn't be able to fully verify easily if not true, hence so many use it and tarnish is - causing people like you to not know (or act as if they don't know) the difference between web2 and web3.

I bet you and nutildah hate the sound of that, given you are seemingly both against most of the concepts and values I described above. It's especially ironic that you'd hate an algorithm deciding what you read, yet you collect data on every single user, post (and go knows what else) in this forum, which are both violating the same thing - privacy. Obviously intentional too since you are obviously an intelligent person who is completely aware of what they're doing when they describe something good that is against their not-so-good interest as a "buzz-word used by DeFi-scams", and hid where they got that quote from...

A word of advice to you both? Don't be like Jaime Daimon who spoke against Bitcoin out of his own business interests. The nonsense he spoke is comparable to some of the nonsense both of you are peppering into your posts. Getting paid to manage a multi signature wallet? Salaries for giving input on how community donations should be spent on bitcoin and its community. Even Web3 being a buzz word for DeFi scams? Those who are not corrupt and know the nonsense in those statements can see right through the motives behind what you are saying, and it tarnishes your credibility. LoyceV, I trusted you and had you as someone I would trust, and while it means nothing in this broken system, you are off my trust list. Nutildah, you've always been questionable and I never knew if I trusted you or not, even though you were quick to put ~BenCodie on your list...now, I officially do not trust you...because you're right, our values are different.

Quote from: LoyceV on February 15, 2025, 10:09:22 AM

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within a couple years this would be a modern Web3 forum

I'd leave this forum if it turns into some dynamic moving site where algorithms decide what I get to read.

Web3 has not much to do with algorithms deciding what you read. That's a forefront Web2 concept...hence Twitter/X (web2), TikTok (web2), Meta/instagram/facebook (web2), Google (web2) love and borderline exploit the shit out of that concept...and even if an algorithm existed on a truly Web3 forum, it'd be an algorithm that is open source and modifiable by the community who made it.