Quote from: Agbe on March 07, 2025, 08:27:12 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 07, 2025, 04:01:26 AM

There can also be variations of right and variations of wrong, since some folks will have had invested into bitcoin aggressively and others will have invested into bitcoin whimpily. Some persons might have become more aggressive with the passage of time, and others might have become more whimpy with the passage of time. I doubt that the matter is black and white, even though there are coiners and there are no coiners, yet at the same time, some coiners have been into bitcoin for longer periods than others, yet even some of the longer term bitcoiners might have made mistakes of either not accumulating enough BTC or selling too much too soon... or sometimes leveraging and/or becoming overly aggressive and recking themselves in the process of "investing into bitcoin."

I will say the aggressive investors are those who have money to invest big amounts at once or whenever they are investing. People like Elon Musk invest aggressively.

My definition does not have much of anything to do with the amount invested, but instead measuring from your discretionary income, with some of the same ideas as Ruttoshi outlined.

Within my thinking, a person who invests a lot of his discretionary income would be considered to be investing aggressively and a person who invests very little of his discretionary income would be considered to be investing whimpily... so there are a lot of variations, and a person who invests beyond his discretionary income is being overly aggressive, unless he has back up funds that he can use for such from time to time purposes of investing beyond his discretionary income.

It usually is not very helpful to make comparisons of what you do with people who have outrageous levels of wealth. The financial circumstances of the very wealthy are likely quite different from an overwhelming majority of normal people, even though some of the same principles would still apply in terms of considering in coming cash versus expenses, but then they will likely have debt instruments and other investments, too... passive cashflows and active cashflows..

If you want to compare poor people to rich people, then you may well need to outline some examples, yet it can still be difficult to make such comparisons, unless you are being specific about some of the variables, since wealthy people also have a lot of back up sources of income, even if they also might use a lot of debt instruments too.

Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on March 07, 2025, 08:53:30 PM

Quote from: Tonimez on March 07, 2025, 06:05:30 AM

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DCA doesn't even encourage buying at higher price, DCA allows you to buy at all the price level and encourages to increase your buy when there is a dip if you have the capacity.

You are mixing DCA and buying on dip. Strict DCA does not vary.. just buy every week depending on how much money is available and not based on whether the BTC price is UP or down.

Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on March 07, 2025, 08:53:30 PM

As for most investors that buy lump-sum, they mostly understand the drill, that if there is a dip, they are likely going to buy more,

Now you are mixing lump sum with buying on the dip... if you are buying on the dip, then you are buying on the dip. Lump sum is a slightly different concept and relates to buying right away once extra money comes in... Yeah, if you have extra money come in, then you can defer buying right away based on time (that would be spread out the buys like DCA), or you can defer buying right away by waiting for the BTC price to drop (which might not happen). If you choose not to defer any of the buys, then you are buying right away with that extra money that came in.

Of course, you can divide the money and describe what you are doing however you like, yet if you are waiting to buy on dips, even if you use a lot of money, that is not lump sum buying, merely because you have saved that money to buy on dips.. The three categories of buying are different, even if you might choose to combine your buying techniques, you should still recognize and appreciate how each of the three categories are different from each other.

Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on March 07, 2025, 08:53:30 PM

because it avails them the opportunity, in fact they mostly see it as the fear of losing out(FOMO) if they don't invest when there is a dip, it's only a kindergarten investors that panics when there is dip, however nobody is encouraged to invest his total income, at least to reduce any form of panic if the market is unstable.

Sure the concept of fomo (fear of missing out) involves emotion, yet I thought that FOMO frequently comes into play when someone jumps into an investment without thinking about it and tends to buy on the way up rather than buying on the way down...

When we engage in DCA, buying on dips, lump sum investing and even front-loading our bitcoin investment by trying to buy as much as we can on a regular bases earlier in time, then we are likely lessening the chances that we are going to feel FOMO because we had already been buying on a regular, persistent, ongoing and perhaps even aggressive way. Many times normies will feel FOMO when they had insufficiently and/or inadequately prepared for UP, and then they end up panic buying because they feel that they do not have enough BTC.

We do not necessarily need to argue about definitions, even though I personally think that you (Spaceman1000$) are using several of the terms in a wrong and confusing way.

Quote from: Agbe on March 07, 2025, 08:56:57 PM

Quote from: Ruttoshi on March 07, 2025, 08:43:20 PM

Investing aggressively is not only for the rich people like alone, though they have a strong financial strength that will make them in a situation to buy aggressively than someone with a small discretionary income

You second statement has completed everything and said it all. "Though" means they have the superior power to buy bitcoin massively and that is the aggressive investment. If an investor bought some unit every month as a DCA which is amounting to $500+ monthly, he is not an aggressive investor but a passionate investor. I call him a passionate investor because he has the passion to invest but people like Michael Saylor and Elon Musk can buy bitcoin of $1 billion and this is the aggressive investors JayJuanGee is talking about and not the peasant investors.

In the context that we are talking about being aggressive as compared to being whimpy, I am not comfortable making those kinds of comparisons of very wealthy folks to regular folks, and we seem to be getting off topic if we are trying to make those kinds of comparisons when we are using the terms aggressive and suggesting whether a poor person can be aggressive in his investment, which I think that poor people an be aggressive when they are choosing to invest with large portions of their discretionary income, and they are being overly aggressive when they are investing in bitcoin beyond the level of their discretionary income, and sure sometimes they might accidentally invest in an overaggressive way rather than merely investing aggressively because they made mistakes in the calculation of their discretionary income, and they accidentally spent from money they needed for their expenses. So frequently we talk about investing as aggressively as you are able to do, yet without over doing it and without recking yourself based on failures/refusals to adequately prepare back up funds and to invest into bitcoin from within the bounds of your discretionary income.