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I don't think we are suppose to be talking about Bitcoin investment been guarantee or not because to me it doesn't make any sense though it is good to be realistic but how will one be talking about what they are investing into in such way. Even if it is not guarantee like you guys said it shouldn't be something you guys will be emphasizing on like this because this information can mislead or change newbie mindset towards Bitcoin investment because if we say it is not guarantee then what is now the difference between Bitcoin investment and trading since they both are not guarantee so I will advise we don't use this language or word here because of the effect it will have on someone who is yet to know what Bitcoin is all about.

We can still maintain that neither bitcoin trading nor bitcoin investing are guaranteed, while at the same time saying that trading and investing tend to be different kinds of practices and/or mindsets.

You are causing confusion with attempt to make some kind of a point that makes little to no sense, including that sometimes even the concepts of trading and investing can also overlap, yet do we need to get into some kind of a description in regards to what each of them is merely because you do not seem to understand that trading and investing can be different when neither one guarantees either profits or guarantees that the price might not go to zero, yet each tends to have differing time frames as a differentiator - even though surely there can even be long term trades, and there could be short term investments.. including that sometimes an investor might plan for investing in the long term, yet either something about his individual circumstances changes or something about the investment changes to cause the investment thesis to no longer be valid (or sufficiently strong) from the investor's perspective.

Perhaps with either investing or trading, a person might say, don't invest any more than you can afford to lose, and we might proclaim that if they do not employ leverage, then the most that they could lose would be 100%, yet some traders will employ leverage and other financial tools, and even investors might engage in those kinds of behaviors to attempt to frontload and/or otherwise boost their investment..

The concepts of trading versus investing do tend to overlap in some places, yet an investor will not tend to sell BTC with an intention of buying back cheaper, and also a investor might try to figure out ways to mostly stay in his investment for sustainable ways rather than selling it all at once, yet there still is no real bright line in regards to what differentiates traders from investors, since there is a package of behaviors/practices and a package of mindsets that might distinguish between traders and investors, and so the change in one practice or mindset might not be enough to change one's overall category in regards to whether he is trading or investing.

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Quote from: Derekfunds on March 07, 2025, 05:25:03 PM

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No other coin really compares to Bitcoin. Many people often argue that investing in Bitcoin is less profitable, on the other hand, there are some ALT coins that have higher temporary profits. Bitcoin is one of the most reliable digital currency for investment and I think it would be foolish to compare Bitcoin with any other coin. So far, I have not seen as much news about any other crypto currency in the market as I have seen about Bitcoin in various media. Big companies invest in Bitcoin and rely on Bitcoin. If the ALT coins in the market were reliable then big companies or rich people would invest in ALT coins. We are small investors so instead of trusting all these ALT coins we should trust Bitcoin and invest Bitcoin and that will be the right decision for us.

Several shitcoins may have several similarities to bitcoin, yet almost every one of them is trying to copy bitcoin, or an affinity scam, and so we should not get distracted by their various ploys to try to appear to be similar or better than bitcoin, yet really not offering anything new, except maybe an opportunity to potentially pump and dump if there might be opportunities to get in and out without ending up on the wrong side of the trade. With any protocol level kind of change or offer, there would be a need for the competitor to be 10x better in order to dethrone the leader, which is both part of the rationale that no shitcoin has come even close to bitcoin, and also is part of the rationale that bitcoin is likely going to dethrone the dollar, gold and various other inferior places in which monetary value is currently being held (including properties, equities, art, etc).

Sure bitcoin will not likely take all of the value from those various assets that have monetary premiums, yet bitcoin is a more efficient and effective store of value in terms of its various monetary properties, so bitcoin will continue to eat away at the various inferior monetary property assets - even though it could take 50-200 years to play out in a more comprehensive and/or obvious way...even though it should be somewhat obvious that it has already been happening and will likely continue to happen.

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Quote from: Derekfunds on Today at 08:27:40 AM

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.....What is guaranteed, based on Bitcoin history, is its long-term growth over years. Looking at 6 to 10 years from now, not next week, next month or next year, short term investment success cannot be guaranteed. Bitcoin has always shown an assuring upward trend over time, but trying to predict the price in the short term as a means to guarantee investment will be in vain. The increase is almost inevitable in the long term, the choice is ours to make. So new investors should be happy that there is always an opportunity to profit in Bitcoin if they start their investment now. What people say or do should not limit them unless they are not ready yet, that is why they keep giving excuse for themselves.

Bitcoin does not become guaranteed merely because we are looking at a longer timeline.

Bitcoin can be both amongst the best (if not the best) of investments, and at the same time, not guaranteed, even if we are looking into the future at 6-10 years or longer.

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Bitcoin price is not a guaranteed to go up in future or without risks even if we know that the chance of bitcoin price moving uptrend overtime is higher than down trend. We cannot use past even to tell the future outcome. Buy and grow your bitcoin investment portfolio overtime with consistent and persistent and hope for the best future of bitcoin. This is why we must have over sources of income which we must always use as an alternative and not your bitcoin investment in future.

Many times we like to say that bitcoin is amongst the best (if not the best) of asymmetric bets that is currently available across the planet to everyone, which means that it has a decently high upward potential, and as long as you do not use leverage, then the most that you could lose is 100%.

Surely, not everyone can invest into bitcoin, since not everyone has discretionary income, yet bitcoin still is available to anyone who can generate discretionary income.

Another aspect of investing into bitcoin is figuring out how to plan and to maintain cashflow that allows for holding the bitcoin investment (and perhaps continuing to add to it) for 4-10 years or longer. Cashflow management can be challenging to a lot of people, and a decent number of people can probably learn how to maintain and/or improve their cashflow management in such a way that they are able to make sure that they can maintain and continue to add to their bitcoin investment for the period of their investment into bitcoin, hopefully 4-10 years or longer.

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Amidst this volatility, those who have deep knowledge and full faith in Bitcoin are the ones who have survived.

Well it is wrong to believe that it is only newbies that is always grip by fears when ever there is a dip , even those investors you are thinking are not afraid they are but the thing there is they have high risk tolerance.They have the ability to withstand risk inasmuch as they are afraid because when compared to newbies they have much of bitcoin in their holdings than newbies.

I agree with the proposition that both newbies and experienced bitcoiners (investors) can have periods in which they are afraid, yet I would suggest that the experienced bitcoiner is able to distinguish himself from the newbie, merely from the passage of time that had allowed him to continue to build his bitcoin stash, to build his cashflow management practice, to build his back up funds, and perhaps also to start to move into areas in which his bitcoin investment is in profits. Older investors are not guaranteed to have had worked out their fears or even to have learned (and put into practice) good cashflow management practices, which could then end up causing the old time investors to make rookie mistakes, including panicking rather than having a reasonable plan and carrying out their plan.

Even though profits are not guaranteed, historically we have seen that guys who had continue to invest into bitcoin for anything close to a full cycle (even if they might have had started investing at the top of the cycle) are tending to gravitate towards being more and more into profits with the passage of time so long as they errored on the side of mostly buying bitcoin and holding and not selling bitcoin to try to buy back cheaper (trading).

So there becomes a lot of truth in the value of time in the market tends to beat trying to time the market, and so having your portfolio in profits can help to bring greater comfort, and so far with bitcoin, there has been more and more profits with the longer timeline, so long as the person had mostly been focusing on buying and/or holding and not fucking around trying to trade. There is value to having time in the market, yet there is also value in building good and strong cashflow practices, and if you have good cashflow practices, it is quite likely that better emotional management practices will fall into place.

Quote from: Proty on Today at 03:09:00 PM

So there are investors that have full knowledge about bitcoin dip however whenever it occurs they are restless because of the amount of bitcoin they have in their portfolio even when they have the knowledge that the price will definitely come up.newbies will mostly panic when there is a dip if they start accumulating with a huge amount of money .

Bitcoin prices are not guaranteed to come back up when there is a dip, yet it seems to me that developing a practice to continue to buy bitcoin, including buying on dips is a great way to continue to reinforce conviction, yet surely sometimes normal people run out of money to buy dips, so they might buy on the dip, but the BTC price keeps dipping, and so then when the BTC price keeps dipping, those buyers are mostly just stuck with buying whenever they get paid and with whatever money they know is within their discretionary income and that they are not going to need for expenses...

so since there is no guaranteed that the BTC price is going to come up after a dip, then each person has to figure out how much he is going to invest into bitcoin, and so far in bitcoin's history, the one who had been able to continue to buy during dips and to hold onto his bitcoin has been subsequently rewarded by engaging in that behavior, even though it is not guaranteed to be rewarded.. which largely means each of us has to pick a budget level of ongoing investment into bitcoin that is comfortable for us, whether we are buying during dips, flat periods or while the BTC price is rising..and so we continue to hope that our efforts and or level of commitment and allocation to bitcoin is reasonable and prudent for our situation, including that we may well consider that we want to invest into bitcoin in a way that is as aggressively as we are able to do, without overdoing it.

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In addition, old investors usually prepare themselves better when facing price declines in the market such as preparing additional capital to buy again when there is a price decline, also preparing the time to do it earlier. So those who have been investing for a long time are always far from panic so they can still be calm when market conditions change suddenly.

It could be true that older investors might already prepare mentally (and perhaps even financially) to just continuing to buy no matter the price, whether it dips or not and whether they had held back some extra money for buying during dips or not... so surely continuing to buy during dips tends to be good, and continuing to buy quite regularly (especially for newbies) also seem to be good, which is also part of the reason that I have tended to suggest that newbies try to figure out ways that they can buy bitcoin every week, and why I think that trying to buy every week is better than trying to buy every month, unless there are some fairly strong financial reasons that buying weekly is not practical based on cashflow and/or expense irregularities.

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Quote from: Gost ms on Today at 07:57:33 AM

Amidst this volatility, those who have deep knowledge and full faith in Bitcoin are the ones who have survived.

Well it is wrong to believe that it is only newbies that is always grip by fears when ever there is a dip , even those investors you are thinking are not afraid they are but the thing there is they have high risk tolerance.They have the ability to withstand risk inasmuch as they are afraid because when compared to newbies they have much of bitcoin in their holdings than newbies.
So there are investors that have full knowledge about bitcoin dip however whenever it occurs they are restless because of the amount of bitcoin they have in their portfolio even when they have the knowledge that the price will definitely come up.newbies will mostly panic when there is a dip if they start accumulating with a huge amount of money .

Older investors may actually not be as fearful as newbies when market is making correction because they have seen different market conditions based on how long they have been in the system. However this does not mean that every old investor is going about Bitcoin investment the right way because some of them still develop habits that end up hurting their investment so badly. For instance, some old investors still feel that bitcoin is too expensive and will not give high profits so they still going about chasing shitcoins that will pump and make them millionaires and put just a little part of their funds in bitcoin as backup. You will see some apportionment as low as 50% of their funds to bitcoin and the other 50% to shitcoins, a move I consider not too good because Bitcoin deserve higher percentage like 90 to 95% of the total investment funds in that one can gamble with the 5 to 10% of the funds on shitcoins that is if they cannot resist the illusion of investing in shitcoins.

Newbies what started with the right mindset and is convinced that long term is the right way to go about bitcoin will always know that dips are time to buy more and not a time to fear.

I agree that old investors can get distracted by shitcoins, bad habits and also failing/refusing to consistently, persistently, ongoingly, regularly and perhaps even aggressively continue to buy bitcoin. They sometimes get distracted into trying to time the ups and the downs so to buy more on dips and to buy less during price rips, which may also end up getting them into a wrong mentality and a wrong approach (even though, yeah, guys can do whatever they like, even dumb shit that they consider to be smart.. and so some guys take a lot longer to learn as compared with other guys).

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Quote from: Proty on Today at 03:09:00 PM

Quote from: Gost ms on Today at 07:57:33 AM

Amidst this volatility, those who have deep knowledge and full faith in Bitcoin are the ones who have survived.

Well it is wrong to believe that it is only newbies that is always grip by fears when ever there is a dip , even those investors you are thinking are not afraid they are but the thing there is they have high risk tolerance.They have the ability to withstand risk inasmuch as they are afraid because when compared to newbies they have much of bitcoin in their holdings than newbies.
So there are investors that have full knowledge about bitcoin dip however whenever it occurs they are restless because of the amount of bitcoin they have in their portfolio even when they have the knowledge that the price will definitely come up.newbies will mostly panic when there is a dip if they start accumulating with a huge amount of money .

Well also not all newbie are afraid of the Dip, it all boils down to the pre-information and the way everything is set up for the newbie. I believe if the newbie have the right orientation and makes his own research before investing Bitcoin then he would know what's ahead and how to go about the Dip, there are plans to set up that would aid him not to be worried about certain Bitcoin dip, plans like having a keen mindset that whatever he is saving is money that he can be able to let go and also long term investment plan, emergency funds, reserve funds and so on, if the newbie have all the right plans set up then he wouldn't be afraid of the Dip since he plans is to invest for a long term and not like the short term traders that claim to be long term investors.

Of course, there are some guys that learn faster than other, and some guys are able to both learn from the mistakes of others, yet also to put solid plans into place in which they are either completely buying regularly no matter what through DCA and/or they might be DCAing and supplement their buying with buys on dips. There is quite a bit of variance in regards to good and/or better practices that can be and likely should be tailorized to the 9 individual circumstances.