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Again, nobody know the future. But Z did it to himself in the White House visit. [...]

What happened at the WH is largely irrelevant. There is an underlying problem that is Trump not planning for a security guarantee for Ukraine and trying to force Ukraine to sign a shitty deal.

Ukraine could have signed that type of deal at anytime during the last three years, but it is obvious (and I have posted recently a detailed analysis) that it does not solve the problem of Putin invading again in a couple of years if not earlier. That type of arrangement is firstly the death sentence for Ukraine and anyway unacceptable for the Ukrainian pairlament and leaders.

If you can stop for a minute the stormshow of crap and false narratives, you may eventually see what this war is about.

Why should Trump plan a security agreement for Ukraine? Z doesn't want peace. He would simply be the Putin you talk about. How do we know? He started the war by moving troops to the border, and by fighting his own people in Donetsk and the Donbas for nothing.

With the kind of leader Z is, looks like Putin is going to have to shut Ukraine down just to get peace.

You know what this war is about, just like anyone who looks. It's about the Western bankers trying to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russians, something they have been trying to do for over 100 years.

What the US needs to do is make a solid statement by removing the sanctions against Russia. Europe is failing as it is. If the US did that, Europe would simply wither on the vine.

You jokers should really forget Ukraine and concentrate on making trade deals with Russia.

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Ukraine want a lasting peace. Peace can be reached at any moment, you just have to rennounce to having your own contry, let all the people be ruled from Moscow or wait for the next invasion.

This is perfectly rational, no joke. Ruzzia invaded Crimea and then started a permanent conflict in the Donbas - as they know that countries with conflicts cannot join NATO.

Zelensky wants the right peace, just as Ruzzia only speaks of peace always in terms that they know are not acceptable to Ukraine. Again, this is rational from the Kremlin, as their goal is to take all Ukraine and then pressure the democracies of the old Warsaw Pact until they rebuild their empire.

I am not making any of this up. It has happened: Ruzzia invaded and annexed Crimean, kept sending troops and funds to create a conflic in Dombas, it has happened again in the elections in Romania and a number of ciber=attacks in Europe, not to mention the financing of extreme right anti-EU groups.

The only thing that has changed is that the US, despite being a guarantor of the integrity of Ukraine with the Budapest memorandum. having promised to defend Ukraine and its sovereignty has decided that they will simply not do so. They also wish to weaken NATO as much as possible.

I think that the US has forgotten than last time that all the Soviet Republics were under Moscow's thumb, they spend 5 decades trying to topple it and having to spend billions (for real, not by Trump's "accounting") in keeping the US safe.

I hope you get paid in US, the Yuan is not doing that well. Nor the SP500, nor the NASDAQ... nor bitcoin.

Another silly attempt to rewrite history and confuse cause and effect. But everyone who can read, knows that Ukraine was under Russia's sphere of influence up to 2013, everyone lived fined and neither EU or US cared about it much. And it's the attempt to take Ukraine with cookies into NATO that is the root cause of this all. Now US figured that it's just not worth it to continue, and is now backing off. We all saw how well Ukraine performed with US aid, now think what will happen without it, we can already start to see it in Kursk. The only question left now is how many more people Z is willing to sacrifice, before admitting the inevitable, putting on a suit and starting to negotiate.

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If you can stop for a minute the stormshow of crap and false narratives, you may eventually see what this war is about.

Rubio, with a cross on his forehead, recently openly stated what the essence of this war is: it is a proxy war between two nuclear powers, the United States and Russia.

It's quite hilarious that one side is openly admitting to running a proxy war, and now stopping that armament, but it's the proxy itself that's trying to deny it

Rubio needs a narrative, since he has to basically stab Ukraine in the back, so some justification for breaking the Budapest agreement comes very handy.

Well, not as silly as pretending that the world started in 2020 as you have many times done in your posts. Now, that is a silly attempt.

But in the end all shows: you are back to the imperialism, the spheres of influence and the vassal nations. Let me then speak in a language you will understand then:

USSR is gone. It could not deal witht he costs and pressures of a Cold War and imploded. That "Ruzzian sphere of influence" is gone - let me put it plainly: Ruzzia lost it because is not a sufficiently productive and effective Country as to have any short of "sphere". It could be one of the greatest economies on Earth and instead has the GDP of a mid-size EU country. That should give you something to think about.

Ukraine saw the opportunity to get rid of Ruzzia - and anyone can understand why just with some basic history facts and Ruzzia is crying the loosers song about their influece while trying to rebuild and empire. Your basic argument is "it is not fair that the US wipes his ass with our nation". But if you believe so much in spheres of influence, then that is just the loosers cry and nobody is giving sh*t about it.

If it helps you, this is nothing unique in history. The Macedonians, the Roman Empire, the Spanish Empire and even the British Empire eventually loose preminence. It is time to recognise that Ruzzia cannot hold any "sphere" again, unless Trump (your asset I assume) gives it away.

You want to play empires and pretend to have rights over Ukraine? You have failed - unless Trump gets a big enough "Thank$$$$" from Putin and leaves Ukraine for the crowds and still, Europe will keep it up for a long while.

You must be confusing me with someone else. I'm the one who always talks about US using financial expansionism to expand it's sphere of influence with freedom cookies, which is just another way to exploit other nations where small initial investment typically leads to much bigger dividends. And how relatively stable the world has been up to 2014 before US freedom cookies arrived in Ukraine, and how third highest ranked US diplomat said Fuck the EU and orchestrated coup d'état at Maidan.

Ironically, Russian sphere of influence was on it's last leg in 2013, down to Ukraine, Kazakhstan and few other countries in central Asia. Had US not decided to pull Ukraine from Russia, Putin wouldn't be there now, Russian military would be where EU's military is now, and Russian wouldn't be so aligned with China. So if anything, this moronic move in Ukraine is the root cause of this all.

We are now seeing the results of the decision that the Ukrainian leadership made. At the end of this all people won't care whether Zelenskiy was incompetent, a puppet, or just a maniac. It's the end results that will matter regardless how much you want to white wash it.

The end result has already been decided at the very top, and announced publicly. But Ukrainians were so brainwashed with this idea of defeating Russia, that even it's leadership began to believe it. And now they just refuse to accept the reality.
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No I am not confusing you with anyone:

1 - A few posts ago you said that everything started well after the invasion of Crimea. That is not correct. It all started when Ruzzia broke the Budapest memorandum by invading and illegally annexing Crimea and then creating a conflic in Donbas.

2- You are clearly defending the right of Ruzzia to invade Ukraine or to decide what Ukraine can and cannot do. A few posts ago you clearly speak of "spheres of influence" and now you speak of the "US pulling Ukraine from Ruzzia". You are defending an imperialistic view in which Ukraine "belongs" to Ruzzia no matter what Ukrainians may think about it.

It is all there, it is all in written. And if this is about empires, there is no reason involved, just mere strenght and fight (in Europe they understood long time ago that it only brings death).

Thus, if this is about empires and a fight for "spheres" all you are doing is crying and babling about the US playing the game much better than Ruzzia - of which I have already told you it was being the case over and over - "there is only one winner here".

And now go on saying that this and that is unfair, or that the US is very bad or Zelensky is this and that... that is the loosers babling (curiously, even before the loosing is confirmed).

You know what Putin should have done? Treat Ukraine as a friendm but that is beyond anything imaginable for him. He created the need for Ukraine to seek protection.

1-Abolutely not, it all started with US organizing yet another coup d'état and removing elected and globally recognized government of Ukraine, which as you're well aware, happened BEFORE Russia took Crimea. It's like you have selective memory and keep forgetting about the US freedom cookies at Maidan that started all of this, how convenient. Here's a rough photo timeline to remind you of the sequence of events.
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2-Actions have consequences. This is not about me or you, or how we might want the perfect world to work. This is about how the real world works, and that politicians have think tanks, ministries, and research institute, advising them on the probabilities of the outcomes for each decision. Do you think Ukrainian leadership realized the highly likely probability of current outcome or were they just used as useful idiots?

You can argue the rights of Cubans over their own land, and the illegality of perpetual leases all you want, but you also know very well that supporting Cubans with military aid to take back their land by force would highly likely lead to catastrophic consequences for Cubans regardless whether you agree with it, and no matter what Cubans may think about it. Such are the real world realities that the masses are manipulated to ignore by their politicians.

I know I made the point when you post 5 pictures in a row.

If this is about the "real world" why do you keep complaining about Ruzzia played the role of a fool in "the real world". You say realpolitiks, and then wine about this and that being "Unethical" and so funnily, "antidemocratic". LOL... you are really losing it.

Zelensky won the Ukraine elections and there is no "cookie monster" - as you said, actions have consequences and Ruzzia decided that the best course of action was war. As they decided in Georgia and many other places before. Now you do have a war and at the moment nothing points to Ukraine being taken by Ruzzia or made a puppet - the initial objective stablished by Putin.

You wanted empires, spheres, force, realpolitiks and consequences...well, you got them.

Tell you handlers at the troll farm to start the "big thank$$$" fund for Trump.

Again, it's not what i want, but just how things are. You just seem to start realizing that, and you're going through the natural next step of analyzing how, where, and who mislead you.

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perhaps it would be a good idea for you to just take a long a walk, take a deep breath and take a break from posting for at least a day or so. Because at this point you're just rumbling incoherently.

Nope, I am following you on your argument to show how you pretend to care about "right or wrong" but at the same time saying that is all about "how things are" and the use of force. Following your argument does not mean agreein with it.

You have been cherry picking news about Ukraine to try demoralise and show how this was a lost battle etc. You failed. You have now to face reality: there is very little Ruzzia can claim as a win, at least as things are.

On the important matter, I am going to await the results of the negotiations in Saudi Arabia. If I hear something about Ruzzia requiring full concesion on territories and dis-armament of Ukraine I will know we have another 6 motnhs of war - at least.