Quote from: Zwei on March 12, 2025, 09:39:13 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on March 12, 2025, 02:52:40 PM

But the chatbots themselves could very well be violating copyright laws on a massive scale. They must have used almost anything ever written as input, and I bet they didn't get permission from millions of different authors to reproduce it.

it's pretty much confirmed at this point that every AI company that has its own model has violated copyright laws in some way to train their models.
facebook for example, had court documents confirming that they torrented a shit ton of books to train their Llama model.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/10/mark-zuckerberg-meta-books-ai-models-sarah-silverman

I don't know how you don't get the Nobel Prize for that reasoning.

Quote from: Vod on March 12, 2025, 10:28:35 PM

Now, some could argue that search engines like Google have been committing copyright for years.

Lol.

Quote from: Vod on March 12, 2025, 10:28:35 PM

Another argument could made for Grammarly, who does not cite the author of the books they get their rules from. I'm not trying to point out holes in your argument, instead I'm trying to argue that the entire concept of copyright has to be reimagined; the information (value) of each idea is now available instantly to everyone. If we could redo the copyright industry, imagine how less expensive things like vehicles could become? Manufacturers pay each other for ideas they would have discovered anyway - with faster AI, two competitors can come up with the same idea just minutes apart.

TLDR: The copyright industry is outdated, so I'm going to lean towards a more modern approach and give authors the benefit of the doubt and deal with extreme cases.

For that you have to be open minded about this subject, which most on this forum are not.

Luckily, both the moderators and theymos seem to be somewhat open-minded with this, as they do deal with cases of blatant AI copy-paste without having the simplistic view that any use of AI on the forum should be banned.