You never had an interest in being specific - your actions are not that of an innocent one who is seeking to close a discussion as soon as possible and move on without qualms. It's that of one who beats around the bush with their words. I can't be blamed for not replying perfectly to walls and walls of text, when I have (since the beginning) only asked you to tell us all that you have no incentive to do what you do from any party. thousands of words later, you still haven't done that, and yet you continue to post demands and expectations from me that are irrelevant and designed to discredit me. This is not behavior of an innocent person. It's deflective and hostile.


I'll apologize for my honest mistake. I don't follow you around everywhere and was not aware that you don't handle stake cases. I was actually being genuine in my post. You are a self-proclaimed bridge between casinos and players, you do work for free and you are motivated nothing more than making sure the player gets paid, is that not accurate, outside of my mistake of not following you so closely to know that Stake is not one of those casinos that you try to be the bridge for?


I never agreed to this crap and I'm dismissing it again. You don't write the law here and I sure as hell am not agreeing to this paragraph that states I'll pay 25,000 USD every time I quote your own words. You called yourself a bridge. I described you as a bridge because I believe that's a fair thing to call you (you communicate with players and casinos thus a bridge between the two). There's really nothing wrong with that description.


The logic is not flawed and none of what you said here flaws the overall point which was that your statement was flawed, as it only specified that you don't get paid by casinos and did not include any other parties. All you have done is validate that claim with what you've said, you've not flawed anything in what I have said.


I've already answered your question in what I said in the last post (who is not reading now, btw?)

It's called PR (Public relations). The casino is not paying to get them to lose money, they are paying to have any case that hurts their reputation solved (they aren't losing money by paying  people their rightful balance, by the way, it is paying money to keep the balances of those who do not do KYC or do not make threads to be heard).

All of those quotes and sentences you made up in attempt to discredit the above are both childish and pathetic.


Using a terms of service to steal does not make it the players fault. A fair outcome would be to refund deposits minus winnings (and/or losses) if the player does not ask for KYC and if KYC was really a requirement then KYC would be asked for upon signup like most exchanges these days not after deposit/playing/winning as cases many cases report/how it works.


You can give it up with this 25,000 USD nonsense because I'm personally paying zero mind to this at this point.


Or just prove to myself and everyone else that you do what you do for free? Right now it is still factual to say that you never clearly stated that you don't receive any form of financial motivation from any party whatsoever to be the bridge (as you say) between players and casinos through the very clear and short sentence I've provided and refined for you, designed to force you to lie, or to completely absolve you as a paid PR puppet:

"I, holydarkness, do not receive any form of incentive or financial motivation (from any party whatsoever) to communicate with casinos to resolve scam accusations for users."

For as long as you avoid copy and pasting the statement, you leave the door open to the conclusion that you are a PR puppet that is in some way financially motivated to do what he does.

The ball is in your court and has been for quite some time now. All of the unrelated garbage you're posting surrounding the request to prove that you are an innocent and good person who is truly doing their best to be between players and casinos for nothing more than human good, is just noise.


1. You are serving the casinos by doing their PR/"customer service" work on the forum for them (for free, apparently/TBC), whether you like it or not that is an accurate way to describe what you are doing.
2. To be perfectly clear, I had meant/said that if you confirm that no party pays you to do be the bridge whatsoever, then I will be sure to explicitly mention that in the megathread that while you bridge between players and casinos by doing what you do, you don't get paid to do so (which is a lot better than being paid to do casino PR work for casinos especially if there is substantial research to support that casinos on this forum are selectively scamming players and only resolving matters posted publicly)

To be honest with you, the amount of posts and beating around the bush have already been noted, whether you confirm it or not does mean something but not as much as in comparison to if you had of just come to the thread, explicitly stated that you do not get paid and then that was that. Your behavior (again) does not signal an innocent person.


I think it's more about your actions between now and when the problem is more apparent and substantiated than it currently is now. You've been made aware that by doing the PR/"bridge" work that you do for casinos, that you may be enabling selective scamming as a result. By continuing, you are now aware of this possibility:

...and when the problem is more apparent/publicly substantiated, you will certainly not look good by being made aware of it now and continuing with these actions anyway. Whether you are paid or not is actually somewhat irrelevant to the bigger picture at this stage, similar to exchanges I've had with nutildah and their obvious negligence to corruption in the forum, you being able to say "how was I supposed to know that's what was going on?" after these exchanges will simply not be possible for you in comparison to the problem coming to light and as if we never had these conversations.


If you think that you are working "together" with casinos to get to the bottom of cases (as if they are unaware of the cases to begin with), then my new personal thought is that you are just a naive person who thinks he is doing something good and is either unaware of or denying the possibility of casinos taking advantage of you doing their PR work for them, and enabling them to keep/take whatever is not publicly posted about.

To be clear, PR work in this context is communicating with players about the complaints that should have been solved by private support ticket to begin with and should be handled by the official account/representatives of the casino themselves.


It would have been the end of bc.game if they did not honor it. Since the $7,000,00 was the players money to begin with, it's not like it came out of their pocket. It's hardly a sign of trust, just that they do what they are supposed to do by default (regardless of the size of the withdrawal).


Thank you for doing that. I agree with you and wish that others were as honest and confident to do the same (if they agree) rather than siding with power.