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Putin recently listed his terms for peace. One of them was that a UN group including Trump do the negotiations rather than Zelensky. This because Zelensky doesn't have authority to sign peace agreements since his term as president of Ukraine expired.

Trump didn't like this... especially the part about Zelensky not having authority. So Trump spurned Putin's peace negotiations idea.

Now Putin has sent 160,000 more troops into the battle.

That really turned Trump off. How long before Trump gets the US formally involved? Will it really mean a nuke war?

Cool

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-angry-putin-zelenskyy-iran-sanctions-rcna198729

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President Donald Trump said he was “very angry” and “pissed off” when Russian President Vladimir Putin criticized the credibility of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s leadership, adding that the comments were “not going in the right location.”

BA, this is the risk of following Trump... you say stuff the next day and... you are already a day late on the "latest thinking" about the topic Grin

Putin would very much like to impose this and that condition, but in the end there is a practical limit to the years he can wage war. However, I do not think there is practical limit to the years the US can keep this up. All the "billions" in aid are barely 0.7% of the US GDP.

I guess it is going to take a while more for Trump to understand that he has these options:

a) Leave Ukraine. He will look like the weakest US leader ever and his expansionistic discourse will look empty - any difficulty and you run. Ukraine could potentially keep fighting for one year with EU's help.

b) Keep supplying insufficient aid to Ukraine. The war will last until Ruzzia decides that is getting too hot. I guess a couple of years.

c) Supply decissive aid to Ukraine. Ruzzia will consider that is getting to hot the moment they start loosing territory. I guess proper understanding could be reached in a year.

I wish I was wrong, but this is not ending soon unless Putin sees a clear drive from the US to make them back-up in the front.

Ukraine cannot fight without US's weapons. Already the amount of arrivals in Ukrainian cities is a clear indication that UA's air defenses are critically low.

Trump is making China a priority, and doesn't care about Ukraine. Not sure how he can make that any clearer.

China's oil consumption to tick up 1.1% in 2025, CNPC think tank says
Now ask yourself whether providing China with a discount on Russian oil/gas/metals makes any strategic sense when you put constraining China as your top priority. Or making Russia redirect it's resources away from China into say Europe and letting Russia keep Ukraine makes more sense. Once you realize that, everything that will happen next will become obvious.

Yes they can with any weapons. Europe can supply enough to keep the war going.

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As usual you left the most important part out, Europe can keep the war going until what? Until Ukraine triumphs over Russia? (Think we can all see how well that's was going even with the USUSA's help) Or until Ukrain slowly bleeds out of lads to send to the front aka until the last Ukrainian, in that case how will that benefit Europe exactly?
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Putin recently listed his terms for peace. One of them was that a UN group including Trump do the negotiations rather than Zelensky. This because Zelensky doesn't have authority to sign peace agreements since his term as president of Ukraine expired.

Trump didn't like this... especially the part about Zelensky not having authority. So Trump spurned Putin's peace negotiations idea.

Now Putin has sent 160,000 more troops into the battle.

That really turned Trump off. How long before Trump gets the US formally involved? Will it really mean a nuke war?

Cool

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-angry-putin-zelenskyy-iran-sanctions-rcna198729

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President Donald Trump said he was “very angry” and “pissed off” when Russian President Vladimir Putin criticized the credibility of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s leadership, adding that the comments were “not going in the right location.”

BA, this is the risk of following Trump... you say stuff the next day and... you are already a day late on the "latest thinking" about the topic Grin

Putin would very much like to impose this and that condition, but in the end there is a practical limit to the years he can wage war. However, I do not think there is practical limit to the years the US can keep this up. All the "billions" in aid are barely 0.7% of the US GDP.

I guess it is going to take a while more for Trump to understand that he has these options:

a) Leave Ukraine. He will look like the weakest US leader ever and his expansionistic discourse will look empty - any difficulty and you run. Ukraine could potentially keep fighting for one year with EU's help.

b) Keep supplying insufficient aid to Ukraine. The war will last until Ruzzia decides that is getting too hot. I guess a couple of years.

c) Supply decissive aid to Ukraine. Ruzzia will consider that is getting to hot the moment they start loosing territory. I guess proper understanding could be reached in a year.

I wish I was wrong, but this is not ending soon unless Putin sees a clear drive from the US to make them back-up in the front.

Ukraine cannot fight without US's weapons. Already the amount of arrivals in Ukrainian cities is a clear indication that UA's air defenses are critically low.

Trump is making China a priority, and doesn't care about Ukraine. Not sure how he can make that any clearer.

China's oil consumption to tick up 1.1% in 2025, CNPC think tank says
Now ask yourself whether providing China with a discount on Russian oil/gas/metals makes any strategic sense when you put constraining China as your top priority. Or making Russia redirect it's resources away from China into say Europe and letting Russia keep Ukraine makes more sense. Once you realize that, everything that will happen next will become obvious.

Yes they can with any weapons. Europe can supply enough to keep the war going.

...

As usual you left the most important part out, Europe can keep the war going until what? Until Ukraine triumphs over Russia? (Think we can all see how well that's going even with the US's help) Or until UkrainianUkrain slowly bleeds out of lads to send to the front aka until the last Ukrainian, in that case how will that benefit Europe exactly?
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Putin recently listed his terms for peace. One of them was that a UN group including Trump do the negotiations rather than Zelensky. This because Zelensky doesn't have authority to sign peace agreements since his term as president of Ukraine expired.

Trump didn't like this... especially the part about Zelensky not having authority. So Trump spurned Putin's peace negotiations idea.

Now Putin has sent 160,000 more troops into the battle.

That really turned Trump off. How long before Trump gets the US formally involved? Will it really mean a nuke war?

Cool

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-angry-putin-zelenskyy-iran-sanctions-rcna198729

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President Donald Trump said he was “very angry” and “pissed off” when Russian President Vladimir Putin criticized the credibility of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s leadership, adding that the comments were “not going in the right location.”

BA, this is the risk of following Trump... you say stuff the next day and... you are already a day late on the "latest thinking" about the topic Grin

Putin would very much like to impose this and that condition, but in the end there is a practical limit to the years he can wage war. However, I do not think there is practical limit to the years the US can keep this up. All the "billions" in aid are barely 0.7% of the US GDP.

I guess it is going to take a while more for Trump to understand that he has these options:

a) Leave Ukraine. He will look like the weakest US leader ever and his expansionistic discourse will look empty - any difficulty and you run. Ukraine could potentially keep fighting for one year with EU's help.

b) Keep supplying insufficient aid to Ukraine. The war will last until Ruzzia decides that is getting too hot. I guess a couple of years.

c) Supply decissive aid to Ukraine. Ruzzia will consider that is getting to hot the moment they start loosing territory. I guess proper understanding could be reached in a year.

I wish I was wrong, but this is not ending soon unless Putin sees a clear drive from the US to make them back-up in the front.

Ukraine cannot fight without US's weapons. Already the amount of arrivals in Ukrainian cities is a clear indication that UA's air defenses are critically low.

Trump is making China a priority, and doesn't care about Ukraine. Not sure how he can make that any clearer.

China's oil consumption to tick up 1.1% in 2025, CNPC think tank says
Now ask yourself whether providing China with a discount on Russian oil/gas/metals makes any strategic sense when you put constraining China as your top priority. Or making Russia redirect it's resources away from China into say Europe and letting Russia keep Ukraine makes more sense. Once you realize that, everything that will happen next will become obvious.

Yes they can with any weapons. Europe can supply enough to keep the war going.

...

As usual you left the most important part out, Europe can keep the war going until what? Until Ukraine triumphs over Russia? Or until Ukrainian slowly bleeds out of lads to send to the front aka until the last Ukrainian?