Quote from: franky1 on April 12, 2025, 12:40:18 AM

the moderator deleted this post because he thinks this forum is a university scholars dissertation record.. thinking posts requires citations or else breaking some rule .. the moderator sounds like a control freak, so im reposting

Quote from: paxmao on April 10, 2025, 07:58:03 AM

Quote from: franky1 on April 09, 2025, 10:03:23 PM

trump has to do negotiations with (currently 75 willing countries), which takes time..
however he wants an answer from china now

so knowing its going to take upto 90 days to get through the current 75 countries negotiations he has done them a favour by not forcing them into the new deal before they can negotiate..

however again trump wants china to come to the negotiation table now, not in upto 90 days

You are the king of childish responses. "He" is not going to be in 75 negotiations, there will be a few teams in each region that will do something that they could and should have done anyway without having to cause a market caos, scare investment and create a problem for everyone. This is what happens when you get a text-book narcissist in a government.

you missed many things AS USUAL
its about countries COMING TO THE US's NEGOTIATING TABLE and meet with the US cabinet and other departments, which trump also wants to be in the room for

south korea was already on a plane yesterday, as was japan. italy will visit next week
and a schedule being set up for the rest

its not about both side just agreeing on a number. its about the other countries coming up with unique deals of things that might interest trump.

"tailored tariff deals"
their message to foreign counterparts seems simple: If they have a unique card to play, they should.

Ideas being discussed run the gamut, and include possible action on securing the freedom of Americans wrongfully detained abroad, committing to working with US artificial intelligence companies, buying more US energy or combatting global drug trafficking, according to five people familiar with the brainstorming sessions.

if you think a bunch of US guys(as YOU childishly do) are going to travel to 75 countries at the foreign table.. you missed the whole point, not just many.. you missed them all

trumps negotiation table is seats for Trump, Vance, Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Homeland Security, Director of the Office of Management and Budget, U.S. Trade Representative, Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, and the Senior Counselor for Trade and Manufacturing
heck if countries have a playing card for Defense contracts then the DoD will be at the table too

Seems you are also getting the moderator wrong Grin

Firstly you should start looking for signs that your theories do not fly. Elon - who does assemble in the US - basically went into rage when he figured out that all his imports from China would make a Tesla price impossible to pay. And, as you may see, a nearly immediate exception has been made for Apple, because, as I said many times, moving production is sometimes very difficult and sometimes impossible.

None of this is new. Tariffs and commercial deals are continuously negotiated among countries. Having it done with fanfarre, TV and all that is just a question of style. But there is of course a narrative to cover "it is because we were being ripped of"... "others were taking advantage"... none of that is true - deals are negotiatied and can be re-negotiated as they expire... or sometimes even before. The industry run from the US because the US is, in general, not competitive in salaries, conditions, law, ... for many sectors.

Now, it is for everyone to see Trump is that he uses a "shock" strategy. In the world of New York real state, there may be some advantage to this circus and there is no doubt that it keep the 24 hour cycle of new talking all the time about you. Yep, I do understand the guy - I mean, I can see how he thinks on this.

But... there is always a but... there is a price to pay. In the world of international relations, reputation, stability, continuity... all that is as valuable as currency. That is the fuel that Trump is burning with his actions. Financial markets also like the same: predictability, continuity, control, rule of law... That is also being burnt. That "fuel" belonged to the people of the US and they are now without.

And then there's the "short term pain". There is short term pain, but for the US consumer that will need to pay the extra cost of tariffs and the extra cost of local production... well, there is long long term pain too. And it is comming quick and thick.