Quote from: Donneski on April 16, 2025, 10:30:21 PM

Bitcoin was born in the ashes of the 2008 global financial crisis—a direct challenge to central banks, fiat money, and non-transparent systems of control. It was literally the money of misfits, visionaries and hackers who believed in freedom through code. Fast forward to today, financial institutions are offering Bitcoin ETFs, governments are buying and hodling Bitcoin, corporate treasuries are stacking sats, and regulators are cautiously stepping in.

So here is the tension, has Bitcoin’s revolutionary edge been delayed by its growing acceptance? Or is this just the next phase of the resistance, one where Bitcoin quietly penetrates the system from within and then bending it towards something better?

What do you all think please?

Does mainstream adoption compromise Bitcoin’s fundamental values and principles?

Is this integration necessary to bring about real change?

Can Bitcoin remain radical if it becomes the new financial standard?

Please drop your thoughts. Curious to see where the plebs, the OGs, and the new blood stand on this one.

This is one of the most important questions in the Bitcoin space right now—thanks for sparking the discussion. Here’s my take, split into three core ideas:

1. Bitcoin’s Design Resists Co-Opting
Bitcoin’s revolutionary edge isn’t in who uses it but in how it works. No matter how many ETFs or governments hold BTC, the protocol itself remains:

Censorship-resistant: Nodes and miners enforce rules, not institutions.
]Decentralized: No CEO, no board, no bailouts.
]Fixed Supply: Institutions can’t print more BTC to suit their needs.

Even if Wall Street embraces Bitcoin, they’re forced to play by its rules. That’s the ultimate subversion: The system must adapt to Bitcoin, not the other way around.

2. Mainstream Adoption Is a Trojan Horse
Think of ETFs and corporate adoption as “gateway drugs” to Bitcoin’s true ethos.

Phase 1: Institutions sell paper Bitcoin (ETFs) to the masses.
Phase 2: Savvy users realize self-custody is the only way to truly “own” it.
Phase 3: The harder regulators push for control (KYC, surveillance), the more people flock to decentralized tools (lightning, CoinJoin, etc.).

This is the quiet revolution: Bitcoin’s mere existence forces transparency, hard money principles, and individual sovereignty into the mainstream. Adoption ≠ Surrender.

3. The Radical Core Survives in the Margins
Bitcoin’s “radicalism” isn’t diluted—it’s just bifurcated:

Surface Layer: ETFs, futures, and corporate treasuries (the “fiat-friendly” facade).
Base Layer: Cypherpunks, node operators, plebs running their own wallets, and communities building P2P tools.

The base layer will always exist. Governments can’t ban math. Corporations can’t corrupt SHA-256. The harder they try to assimilate Bitcoin, the more they expose the flaws of their own systems.

Final Thought: Necessity vs. Compromise
Yes, integration is necessary for systemic change—you can’t overthrow fiat from a cave. But Bitcoin’s principles aren’t compromised unless we compromise them.

Ask yourself:
Did the internet lose its revolutionary potential because corporations use it? No—it empowered billions.

Will Bitcoin lose its soul because BlackRock holds it? No—it’ll just force BlackRock to confront sound money.

The real risk isn’t adoption—it’s complacency. As long as we keep self-custodying, running nodes, and teaching others, Bitcoin stays radical.

P.S. To quote Nassim Taleb: “The most radioactive thing you can do is to stay non-violent and mathematically consistent.” Bitcoin’s code is its rebellion. Let the suits hold ETFs—we’ll hold keys. 🔑 ⛓️