Quote from: Mr no juice on April 18, 2025, 06:08:41 AM

Quote from: franky1 on April 13, 2025, 11:43:31 PM

Quote from: paxmao on April 13, 2025, 09:42:56 PM

Seems you are also getting the moderator wrong Grin

Firstly you should start looking for signs that your theories do not fly. Elon - who does assemble in the US - basically went into rage when he figured out that all his imports from China would make a Tesla price impossible to pay. And, as you may see, a nearly immediate exception has been made for Apple, because, as I said many times, moving production is sometimes very difficult and sometimes impossible.

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And then there's the "short term pain". There is short term pain, but for the US consumer that will need to pay the extra cost of tariffs and the extra cost of local production... well, there is long long term pain too. And it is comming quick and thick.

elon this month is selling the model 3 and Y cheaper than previously.. so HA
also apple already shifted most of its assembly to india (66%) and is only asking for a temporary exemption for about a month while they sort out more movements to avoid the china tariff

so short term movements but not going to really hit the pockets of consumers

have a nice day,

you have a warped mindset stuck in a 2 option fear story of "expensive foreign coz china tariffÂ and expensive american cos full production US"
you keep ignoring the middle ground business model that businesses are actually implementing right now..

you seem to want to ignore it becasue i was the first to inform you of it so due to some emotional butt-hurt you want to ignore it purely cos "franky said it so must be wrong"

how about DYOR (do your own research) and find the information yourself then you dont have to beleive me becasue you found the answer for yourself

your rhetoric is like this analogy
you support a certain media outlet for emotional loyalty reasons(unknown to normal people) they click-baited you a story that the earth is flat.
you blind trusted the story because of [insert silly reason] and it becaome your perception ingrained into you that you dont want to break away from nor admit you are wrong about

instead of you researching science to realise the earth is round. you just googled "is earth flat" and you only wanted to click on results that said yes.. even if majority of results said no
you made the decision to only seek articles that repeat/agre with your stupidity

you then see me on the forum telling you that the earth is round. but you just ignore it like an idiot because "franky said its round so must be flat"

so again
how about just do some real research and learn the earth is round from research you try for yourself.. and then you dont need to love/hate media/franky

just do some research and realise what is real and what is actually happening in the real world without someone spoonfeeding you

no where in any of your posts have you shown any sign of learning words like freeports, ftz. mfn rates. pntr
you have not shown any sign of looking at how tesla, apple GM and many others are actually this month expanding their "assembly" plants

your obsession with the clickbait narrative business model of "foreign or US full build" only options is very transparent as to your lack of research

Quote from: franky1 on April 09, 2025, 10:03:23 PM

trump has to do negotiations with (currently 75 willing countries), which takes time..
however he wants an answer from china now

so knowing its going to take upto 90 days to get through the current 75 countries negotiations he has done them a favour by not forcing them into the new deal before they can negotiate..

however again trump wants china to come to the negotiation table now, not in upto 90 days

Yes and to speed it up he says there begging to come to the table that will make it easier.

You still seem to miss the point: It is ALWAYS more expensive to do nearly any industrial activity in the US. Sometimes it is IMPOSSIBLE to do it. That will be paid by the US consumers. Your theory about freeports does not solve many of the factors that make the production expensive, inefficient and sometimes impossible, so STILL that will be paid by the US consumers.

I cannot put it more simple:

- Relocate= higher costs to be paid by US consumers (producin in US is more expensive).
- Do not relocate = higher costs (tariff) to be paid by US consumers.

And in the long run, an economy that will progressively be less competitive and the consumers have an effective "corralito" on where they can buy.

And on you silly observation about "outlets saying this or that" and there is nothing emotional about the people who are clearly telling Trump he is messing up. Add now Dimon to the list, and we are talking about people who are usually careful not to bother the POTUS.

US and China need to talk like adults. https://youtu.be/pgTBJ8olCGY?t=25

An added factor to the ecuation is the US Dollar. That is where Trump may be expecting to lower the US production costs, but I think that is not going to work well either:

- Trump is trying to break the USD dominance in the international markets. As usual, I do get his reasons: It is very difficult to devaluate or weaken the US dollar because it is seen as a refuge and used in (roughly) 90% of transactions in the world if I remember correctly. That is shown in the huge stocks of US debt held by China and most other countries.

Trump is trying to make that debt unnatractive by lowering the rates and creating an uncertain environment. The rationale I do see it: this would allow the US to export better, I mean Japan has been doing it decades. And to a point it is happening, many central banks are dumping US debt and buying gold.

What is the problem then? Would it not be great to have a weak USD? What could go wrong?

I am going to let you hang yourself with your answers as usual.