Quote from: tvbcof on April 25, 2025, 08:39:43 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on April 25, 2025, 06:51:52 PM

Quote from: covfefe_ on April 24, 2025, 02:11:32 AM

Either Zelensky is delusional or outright stupid. He rejected the best deal he could get for in 2025. If Ukraine don't want US, US should just leave. Let the Europeans play the war games in Europe. US can't just destroy its economy to feed warmongers in Europe.

Calling what Ukraine got offered as best deal is delusional. What they got? Request to officially recognize Crimea as part of Russia, froze front at current lines - leaving regions that were occupied until now for Russia and getting zero security guarantees. USA did nothing, Ukraine could get such deal without help of USA because basically it's everything what Russia requested. For Russia, yeah, it's best deal that they could get.

Seems to me that Russia came to the only logical conclusion possible at least a year ago; this thing is destined to end militarily no matter what they do.

If it were later learned that Zelensky were in the service of Putin (or Putin's bosses) from day one, I would not be a bit surprised. Whatever the case, he is doing a fine job already of delivering to Russia more than they could have possible hoped for. I've made this point since shortly after the 'special military operation' started in fact.

A side effect is that Russia will take whatever they want. If it were me, I'd be inclined to make Romania, Hungary, and Slovakia happy by returning their lands on the West side of the mountains and maintaining a strip of naziland up to the Polish border in order to ensure supply of gas to any of the 5 newly bordering countries who want it. I'd leave Lviv under Ukrainian control (over the TOS'd bodies of dead Poles if necessary) just so Poland and remaining rump of Ukraine would have something to fight over.

Another happy accident of fate is that, with Trump's able assistance, the U.S./Europe cooperation will be in a terrible state and posing very little of the former NATO-esque threat. The major powers in Europe (and most of the minor ones) have had inbred freaks and dysfunctional weirdos (e.g., Macron and is wife/dad) installed as heads of state so it's a great time to have things get fucked up and ugly. For Russia, that is, though for the United States as well I would argue.

I hope you are not sending Trump and the U.S./European cooperation over here to my terrible State. I mean, we got it bad enough without having a Russian/Ukrainian war going on over here. Cheesy