Quote from: LoyceV on May 04, 2025, 02:27:49 PM

Quote from: fanya on May 04, 2025, 12:34:21 PM

I have about 30-50 seedphrase words here

What an odd way to describe how many words you have. Either way, this is futile, you have a better chance of brute-forcing your Electrum wallet from your other post.

I counted, there are 50 words. I don't even remember if this is the seed that leads to my lost Electrum wallet from my thread from here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523791.0), but I wrote down all my wallet addresses from back then. Any amount on these addresses is enough.

Quote from: Cricktor on May 04, 2025, 03:15:52 PM

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on May 04, 2025, 01:47:49 PM

It gone because if mixing wallet mnemonic seed and many random words which are not wallet mnemonic seed words.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but nope, OP said that it's all words from mnemonic wordlist. He basically failed to document his own obfuscation or correct pattern how to find his mnemonic wallet recovery words in his grid of words.

Maybe his recovery words are at prime number positions in his extended list of words or something similar, like jumping like a chess bishop on a grid of words. Possibilities are vast and I always wonder why people invent something but fail to document it. Because one thing is for sure: you will forget whatever you invented when you don't use or repeat it regularly.

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on May 04, 2025, 01:47:49 PM

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Loss due to complexity / not being able to restore from backup

Complex your wallet back up will not make your back up safer but more risk of failure in recovery later.

Not much to add to this. Add complexity and/or obscurity and fail to document it for you or your heirs and you have a recipe for desaster and loss.

Whatever you do, you should verify if you can successfully recover your wallet(s). If you have your non-standard procedure(s) only in your head, it's almost guaranteed you will forget something and shoot yourself in your foot. Don't do this, apply KISS principles!

Quote from: LoyceV on May 04, 2025, 02:27:49 PM

Quote from: fanya on May 04, 2025, 12:34:21 PM

I have about 30-50 seedphrase words here

What an odd way to describe how many words you have.

Indeed, I would think it should be possible to count the words and tell the exact number. Not that it would make much of a difference. Without any clues, you can't really brute-force this. You don't have the time and/or the energy to exhaust the search space.

I also had another method of storing Bitcoin back then, as you can read here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523791.0). I don't quite know if the seed I found leads to this wallet or another one, but I know all my addresses and any of them is a win.

I don't really remember what I was thinking exactly to invent this kind of puzzle but at that point I found it quite fascinating that there are so many individual ways to store Bitcoin, a bit adventurous.

Quote from: DannyHamilton on May 04, 2025, 09:51:14 PM

I have a few questions.

How many words do you have written on the paper. Please count them. Is it 30? Is it 50? Is it some other number?
Is there any pattern to how they are written? Alphabetical? Length (number of letters)? Vertical list? Horizontal, comma separated? Around the circumfrence of a circle? Something else?
How many bitcoins will you gain access to once you solve this puzzle?
Do you have/know any of the Bitcoin addresses associated with the puzzle?
How much did you pay to purchase this puzzle? Where did you buy it? How did the seller contact you

I have 50 words.
These words are not written in any particular pattern, but I have highlighted some of them with a pencil. But the marked words are more than 24, so it doesn't make sense and I can't imagine that I thought it made sense at the time, it wouldn't be a puzzle. If I remember correctly, the seed only consists of 12 words.
I have several addresses and I don't know which address this puzzle leads to but I have an overview of all my addresses from that time. Each address holds enough Bitcoin to make you tear your hair out.
I didn't buy this puzzle, I made it myself on a piece of quality paper using my own pattern and wrote a card to solve it, somehow like this.
Now I only have the part that contains the words, without knowing the pattern to read the valid words.

Quote from: pooya87 on May 05, 2025, 05:03:53 AM

Quote from: fanya on May 04, 2025, 12:34:21 PM

I have about 30-50 seedphrase words here, I have written them down in a pattern that I can't remember. Only with the right pattern can I put the words in the right order.

There should be 12 valid ones.

Recovery through brute force is only possible if the search space is small enough that can be checked within reasonable time.

So the first step is to shrink that search space as much as possible. So for example you have to first figure out how many words you actually have. Why is it a big range (30 to 50) instead of a fixed value?! Just count them already...

Then start checking them against a word list trying to eliminate invalid ones to reduce that search space.
But to do that, you first need to figure out how you created the mnemonic in first place. Although there is a popular and most used word-list standardized by BIP-39[1] but other wallets like Electrum, blockchain.info, etc. have used different word lists and algorithms in the past.

Knowing the wallet/tool used is also necessary to know the mnemonic algorithm when recovering your keys. After all you have to derive the child key to check if it is valid.
It would also help if you knew the version of that wallet/tool that you used. For example Electrum has changed its algorithm 2 times if I'm not mistaken. Knowing the year or version of it would help narrow down the algorithm.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md

P.S. of course if you have "bought" this from some random user on the internet telling you it holds a treasure, you most probably threw your money away and are also wasting other people's time who would try to help you.

There are 50 words. At that time I was using an Electrum version that is years old now. Maybe around 2012? Definitely nothing newer, as I had cut bitcoin out of my life for a few years until I came across it again not so long ago. Between 2014 and 2015 I was busy with altcoins. From 2015 onwards, I completely took care of my life, my job and forgot about that kind of stuff because I only found out about it through friends anyway and only half understood it for myself, my view of Bitcoin wasn't that strong for a long time and I didn't fully understand it yet. It was all pretty messy.