Quote from: Wind_FURY on Today at 05:03:07 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 06, 2025, 05:47:48 PM

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Ok. Flesh out a hypothetical then.

Let's say that hypothetically, we have a relatively new guy to bitcoin, --Snip--

Ser, you do you, and you have the sort of advice that has given YOU success.
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I already gave you the parameters for the hypothetical, and all you need to do is say what the guy needs to do. .We do not need to agree, but you should say specifically what you are recommending.

To summarize/repeat from earlier, our hypothetical guy is in his mid-30s with a $30k income who has been investing $50 per week in bitcoin for 1 year ($2,700 invested with 0.03701 BTC (3.7 million satoshis)), and he wants to increase his DCA to $100 and he also has $10k that he wants to invest into bitcoin. He also has $30k invested in other assets, which presumptively will become $20k if he moves $10k of that into bitcoin. The question for you is what this guy should do? You are giving no answer beyond vague bullshit? Are you saying that he should wait until the next bear market? Go on? Work with some facts that represent what actual people have to decide rather than spouting out vague and non-action bullshit that makes it seem that you don't have any ideas about what to do.. even though you are trying to act like you have some smart ideas. but they are just bullshit since we cannot go back to 2016 or to 2019..

Quote from: Wind_FURY on Today at 05:03:07 AM

Personally, I will give the sort of advice that has given ME comfort and less stress in my Bitcoin investment journey. It would he hypocritical of me if I suggest that everyone DCA with 90% of their savings if what I actually did was Buy the Bitcoin DIPs with most of my savings during the bear market of 2019, no?

O.k. We are not in 2019 right now. Are you saying right now our hypothetical newbie who has $10k and he has invested $2,700 in the last year should wait for a dip to buy more BTC or what should he do? By the way, you would have been way better off if you would have had bought in 2016 rather than 2019, so apparently, you are not even learning from your own mistakes.

Quote from: 99oo00 on Today at 11:09:08 AM

Quote from: Ricardo11 on Today at 09:28:34 AM

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If you are logical, if newcomers are complicated in short -term or long -term investment, then it is very difficult for them. However, I think it is natural for all those who invest in new investors. As in the new situation I was in a lot of disadvantages because I didn't understand much. Maybe such a person like me may not have a holder. Those who are experienced must know how much fear is created for a new Hold in a new situation. That is why it is deprived of adequate profit rates. Although the next one is the most likely the most likely reason, one day everyone becomes proficient. One of the good amounts to invest in Bekion is needed that not all investors are, so they find a small profit.

A new investor of 1-2 years does not necessarily need to be more scared than the older investor of 3-4 years, even though part of the comfort of the older investor comes from having more chances of being in profits, yet there is no guarantee that the older investor will be in profits, and it could well end up being the case that the older investor is nervous too because the older investor maybe has invested 2x or more larger amounts into bitcoin over the additional time that he has been investing, yet the thing about time in an investment is that there are more possibilities that the investment will be in profits, yet the older investor still could become worried that when the BTC price is dropping severely, then he is losing all of the profits that he had and perhaps going back into the negative or close to going back into the negative based on the extent of the price drop.

Even in 2022 when the BTC price dropped to below $20k, there may well could have had been several investors who had just started investing in the past year or two (as the newbie investors) as compared to the ones who had been investing 3-4 years, and both classes of investors may well would have had gone into negative territories, but it could well have had been that the one who had invested longer, he may have had more money invested as compared with the one who was newer into investing in bitcoin.

I do think that the older investor has the advantage of having had more time to build up his cashflow management skills and/or even to build up his emergency funds and other back up funds... so having strengthened his cashflow management skills/practices can end up providing more comfort for the older investor... and yeah, if the newbie investor ends up panicking and selling, then such newbie investor may well end up both screwing up his investment momentum but also potentially never getting anywhere in terms of actually building up his bitcoin holdings when the dip periods end up being great times to just keep plugging away at his regular buying of bitcoin, rather than panicking into either selling and/or waiting when he should be ongoingly buying BTC, even if it is ONLY $100 per week or some smaller amount within his budget.

Quote from: Silikiem on Today at 01:13:54 PM

Quote from: 99oo00 on Today at 11:09:08 AM

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When it comes to bitcoin investment, your mind should be set towards the long time investment rather than trying to get your self into complications of short term or long term. Short term strategy is never a very good investing strategy, it’s not even meant to be tag as an investment rather it should be called trading strategy. As an investor, we all know that the main goal is to maximize returns, so In order to achieve that you must be able to be patient enough for the long term benefits because that’s where the real benefit or return will come and not just the short term benefit.

You are correcting 99oo00 for having a trading mindset, and you are spouting out trading advice, so in stead of talking about short term trading you are talking about long term trading and saying that you are "investing" when you are not.

Sure, an investor can measure the profits in his bitcoin holdings, yet he need not be preoccupied by the profits or the lack of profits or the changes in the profits. Instead the investor should be considering ongoingly building of his bitcoin holdings so that perhaps after 4-10 years or longer, then he will have had built his bitcoin holdings up to a certain size to give him more options.. and sure it is likely that the bitcoin holdings would get built from both money that is ongoingly put in, and also the bitcoin holding likely would have had appreciated in value during that 4-10 years or longer period of time, too. So there is some correctness that the level of profits gives more options, yet I still doubt that it is a very healthy mindset to be ONLY considering the level of profits.. since it is also likely the case that an investor will spend a considerable amount of time ongoingly buying bitcoin at any price, especially in his earlier years of buying bitcoin, and then maybe after some time, he might slow down in his buying of bitcoin and then just let it sit.. so that maybe a large majority of his holdings will be 4-10 years or older by the time he might cross into territories where he might start to sell portions of it... and yeah of course, guys are going to think about these matters differently, yet I doubt that investors are necessarily thinking in terms of maximizing returns since they may well have several different investments that they are also hedging against each other with potential desires to have some stability in their wealth building over time and increases in their options over time from where to spend value, too.