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Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL!
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Merit.s
on 09/05/2025, 16:06:37 UTC
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With most of the friends that I have talked to, this is the kind of narrative and explanation that they always throw at me. They have to wait for bitcoin to double its price so that they can also have double their money.
Of course, if you double your money based on price appreciation, then if you take out 50%, then you have taken out the totality of your whole investment, and so whatever is remaining in bitcoin is "house money," yet I am not sure if that is a good way to invest, especially in bitcoin.  

There have been so many folks who have gone through several doublings, so then those doublings add up to quite exponential growths.
I think this is what the common people does. They're still trying to hold some but sadly we cannot stop them from selling because they've waited for this moment.

You may well be correct that normal people have a tendency to follow simple and straight-forward formulas that might not work to their advantage, including that in bitcoin we have a decently robust history of quite dramatic price performarce both to the upside and to the downside, which should spring curiosity in terms of trying to figure out why bitcoin had been engaged in that kind of price performance and/or if there might be some plausible explanation for the ways that bitcoin has historically performed in order to attempt to inform us about the nature of the asset.  

Bitcoin's overall price performance and even explanations for what it is should justify investing into it and holding it, even if the justification might be to ONLY invest a small amount due to its historical volatility that has no real signs of going away.

I outlined the power of compounding in one of my earlier posts, and so surely we can find that continuing to allow doublings and even 9 doublings would end up in 256x in profits.. so it becomes quite a great value to be able to have enough patience to experience several doublings.
The power of compounding.
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This is a good visual for those that don't see why we're so optimistic about the future of Bitcoin. The early adopters of course have the advantage but it's never too late and we'd see more exponential growth for Bitcoin in the next years.

Of course, past performance does not guarantee future results, yet the evidence seems to continue to support that bitcoin is in its relatively early times and is likely to continue to be volatile into the future.. perhaps with less of an upward slope, yet there is no evidence to support that bitcoin prices have topped out.

I've said they're right but I get it when they're trying to win an argument over this thing because they're up for the altcoins.
Yep.. some guys are distracted into trading and others are distracted into shitcoins. I cannot proclaim to know, even though I tend to suggest to limit trading and shitcoining to less than 10% of the value of your bitcoin holdings (without cheating), and you are likely to outperform shitcoiners and/or traders, especially after a couple of cycles of investing into bitcoin.
They never listen.

I've personally have done that before and it just cost me losses and that's why if they want to try it, they can go ahead and take their losses. But if they listen, they've just saved their money and even profited more because they did lesser effort and have learned from others experience and lessons. And, they've accumulated more Bitcoins.

I personally think that guys who are more worried should invest smaller amounts into bitcoin so that it is less likely that they become emotional about their investment, yet it still is difficult to guide guys in their level of aggressiveness and to figure out how they should balance their personal circumstances amounting to their finances and their psychology.  Surely if they spend some times honing their own balances within their 9 factors then that might help, but it takes some work to figure out balances.

I've explained to them that it's real with altcoins but they're more volatile than Bitcoin and they might not see that altcoin they are so optimistic with in the next bull run.

Personally, I've told them that investing in Bitcoin requires patience and treat it as their savings. Instead of saving in the bank and making the bank win, they should be the bank themselves and take that win. The limited of supply of Bitcoin wasn't hard to explain to them but I hope that they have realized that or even the newbies nowadays.

I agree that Bitcoin is a long term investment despite that I have saved some, I am continuing it and putting money where my mouth is trying to prove it because it works.
It takes a long time to build wealth, and so hopefully for your own good, you can stay focused... and hopefully you can persuade some of your friends to stay focused, yet you cannot really change people in terms of their inclinations, so many times I just suggest to try to lead by example, and maybe some of them might become persuaded to go down an investor and bitcoiner route rather than trading and/or getting into shitcoins, yet if they are at least able to limit their exposure to trading and/or shitcoins to less than 10% the size of their bitcoin investment then at least they can at least limit their damage in the event that they cannot resist the temptation to shitcoin and/or to trade.
I think it's effective and you're right by making ourselves as an example. I've already told them, they can invest in altcoins that they want but please never settle for less and never ignore Bitcoin.

Whenever they ask me, I've always told them that Bitcoin is the biggest percentage of my portfolio and it's not just half, it's more than that and even close to the entirety of my port.
I don't even have to show what I've got but them looking at the market updates and prices, that's surely encouraging them.

Surely guys are going to have inclinations to want to do what they want and to forge their own path, and sometimes some of the guys will listen, even while they might choose their own path that might have way more allocation to shitcoins than  prefered, but there is ONLY so much that we can do.  

I had someone who I had been talking with about bitcoin and trying to make sure that he avoided shitcoins for several years, but just once or twice a year and maybe even some years that I might not have had seen him, yet last year I saw him several times during the second half of the year and into 2025, and at some point earlier at the end of 2024, he told me that he had sold a decent portion of his Ethereum and bought bitcoin with it, and so that position lasted several months, and then somewhere in March or April, he told me that he bought back Ethereum.  I did not ask him if he bought back the whole Ethereum position, but I found it quite frustrating because he really was not listening to me, and he just traded, and there is ONLY so much that we can do, even though I had spent quite a bit of time with him, he has troubles resisting gambling and/or thinking that there might be some value in Ethereum .. or that at some point it is going to pump... which sure it might, but it is still a pretty dumb place to be putting time, energy and value.. at least from my perspective of the matter..

PS: I've got your threads link saved on me, your investment ideas. The two threads. Using it as references.

Great.  Let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns.. ... sometimes I feel that i need to update portions of those threads, but at the same time, the threads communicate many of my perspective regarding how to attack investing into bitcoin and concerning that many of us may well have to get through our BTC accumulation stages before some of the sub-topics in those threads would become more relevant, and surely some of the sub-themes are not without possible controversy.

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Yes, that is the fact: we don't need to listen to and follow some set of people's advice, especially those influencers on social media claiming to be good investors and always predicting Bitcoin trends. In the current state of the Bitcoin market, it's clear that many of these influencers are just trying to divert the attention of Bitcoin investors encouraging them not to invest in Bitcoin but to focus on altcoins they're being paid to advertise.

However, at this time, it's also good to listen to some people, especially those you believe are real Bitcoin investors—particularly here on the Bitcointalk forum. Listening to people here can really be a great help for newcomers. Following the advice of certain people, especially when it comes to investing in Bitcoin, can make a big difference. For example, in this thread, JayJuanGee has been a great help to us in terms of investing in Bitcoin. There are many strategies for investing in Bitcoin, but if you don't listen to the right people, you may miss out on the strategies that could make your Bitcoin investment easier.

Of course, identifying the better practices and even the persons who you might consider to present ideas clearly, is a good thing, but trying to put the ideas into practices and attempting to interact with your own application of the good ideas will help you to be better able to identify and to differentiate between good ideas and bad ideas.  Still sometimes we can also make mistakes, and we might think some ideas and practices are good and applicable to our own situation(s), but then we might not realize that we made certain mistakes until 3-4 years later down the road...   There have been quite a few members who interact with me, and then I realize that they have quite different ideas about what they believe that I am saying, and surely when they have the ideas in their heads like that, they likely need to attempt to put the ideas into practice and to figure out if they work as they are describing them to be (and what they are saying that I said to do, which may or may not be a correct interpretation).

Also, some guys might have some particular unique circumstances in which they are almost forced to follow unorthodox practices, and maybe once they get some of their own particular circumstances sorted out, then they might be able to revert to more normal kinds of practices, and sometimes we can be aggressive investing into bitcoin within our own parameters, yet after we might have had practiced our own level of aggressiveness, we might come to realize through experience that we need to change how we are applying our aggressiveness.. and we become smarter about it becuase we applied it, even though it might have had been said, but it did not make sense until it came down to applying the circumstances.
I  really appreciate you for the advice and the peace of information relating to crypto currencies, if you should ask me i think that if any coiner should invest in cryptocurrency, i will eventually see such coiner as big time money spend that he doesn't know the right channel to follow that can give him enough profit, and so newbies can just embark on cryptocurrency to invest without asking a question on how it works, just because they might over had from investors discussing about cryptocurrency.

Investing in cryptocurrency is like wasting money and time that you could have used in building up your Bitcoin portfolio, i know that Bitcoin is all about having patience to be able to accumulate for longer term like 4-10years and for to able to archive all these, building up your emergency fund is very important, if possible you can have many of emergency fund as you can to help you save guiding your long term investment.
I don't get you mate.