Quote from: KingsDen on May 22, 2025, 10:14:12 PM

I don't understand how JG managed to come up with this. But I don't rule out the chances of this happening.

Well, I looked at some of the participants that were being enrolled in some campaigns and asked myself why I did not find it surprising. It has become synonymous with some managers.

Quote from: Apocollapse on Today at 04:12:12 AM

What if the project manager/owner do allow campaign managers alts to participate?

If the project owner allows the campaign manager to add their farmed and alt-accounts in the campaign, then no cheating has taken place. Having said that, why would any business owner in their right mind allow for that to happen in the first place?

Quote from: The Cryptovator on Today at 04:36:04 AM

I don't know why we need to cheat when we can use alt to participate in different campaigns. But I believe it's hard to maintain an alt account when I am struggling to manage one account lol.

If you remember the "borovichok" account, quite clearly multiple people were logging in to that account to post. If certain campaign managers are farming accounts in order to enroll them in campaigns they manage, they are probably employing people to post for them in the same manner the "borovichok" account did.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on Today at 06:42:10 AM

Yeah, that's the thing though. A lot of these "businesses" that hire campaign managers barely qualify as such, much less serious businesses, i.e., a lot of them are scammy as hell to begin with. That being the case, why wouldn't they hire the least reputable managers presumably at the lowest cost to them?

That sums up the mentality. Always a pleasure to read your posts Grin

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on Today at 06:42:10 AM

I couldn't even begin to estimate how much cheating is going on, because I've been watching campaigns come and go (and campaign managers, to) for years--and if I've learned anything, it's that if there's any opportunity for scammers, cheats, and the like to weasel their way into positions that allow self-enrichment, they'll do it. I'm pretty sure there have been some campaign managers who've been caught enrolling alts, though I don't remember any recent examples (and note that I haven't read this thread in its entirety, so somebody might have pointed out examples).

I agree. When you stated there are members that will take any opportunity for self-enrichment, the first thing that came to mind was some of the lowest of the low newbie or low ranked accounts that were using the names of recently deceased members in the hope of getting merits. Disgusting.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on Today at 06:42:10 AM

This is a forum that attracts shenanigans. I'm not sure it started off that way, but ever since signature campaigns became full-time jobs for people all over the world, that's the way it's been. Doubtful that's going to change unless campaigns get banned or regulated at the admin level, and Theymos probably won't step in to do anything unless it threatens the forum as a whole.

There are people in lesser developed countries sitting at home earning more in a month here than they get working a real job. The competitive nature issue was always going to be problematic because of the limited number of campaign places available. I think we can agree if signature campaigns ever get banned, over 99% of the members will leave the forum.