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First off, hopefully you know the difference between bitcoin and crypto, and you realize that we are not talking about crypto and/or shitcoins in this thread, unless maybe to denigrate some of them or to point out some certain idiocy connected with one or another shitcoins. So your use of the term shitcoin seems you don't know what bitcoin is (or what this thread is about) or perhaps you were merely trying to sound smart by pointing out some kind of higher level understanding that you supposedly have about bitcoin, which usually ends up backfiring when guys choose to use the vague, ambiguous and frequently misleading term of crypto when referring to bitcoin or something like bitcoin.
No.i don't mean to be weird about using this term. i really mean the crypto market and I know the differences and I really mentioned hope that more capital and people are entering this market and well, the most characteristic and famous thing in this market is Bitcoin and there is a high probability that this will have a positive effect on Bitcoin and some of them will flow towards Bitcoin.We are not too tolerant of the pumping of shitcoins in this thread or even ambiguous comments that might seem to be talking good about shitcoins, so it becomes problematic to go down a road that suggests that shitcoins bring benefits to bitcoin, especially when bitcoin is the reason for their existence in the first place... and so yeah, sure factually we have value moving in and out of bitcoin from various shitcoins, but it still is likely a pretty BIG so what? and a deviation from more interesting points that might not imply attempts to talk good about shitcoins... which would be a topic some other thread if you might want to talk about which shitcoins might be less shitty than other shitcoins.
Second, I will agree with you that more and more folks are getting into bitcoin, including that the size of the players in bitcoin are getting bigger too, yet that does not necessarily mean that bitcoin is going to become more volatile since it takes more capital to move the bitcoin price these days when bitcoin prices are supra $100k as compared to when bitcoin was sub $10k or even sub $1k.
I also didn't say anything about Bitcoin being unstable and i just said one thing about the future of the market which is actually a positive thing for Bitcoin which shows how much more important and key Bitcoin will become in the near future.It might not matter so much what you said exactly, yet I was responding to what you had said... which seems that you were saying that we are likely heading into more volatility.
Also, there is one more thing i want to say. i believe we’re entering a phase where price swings, especially upward ones, are going to happen more quickly and more often. And the reason is pretty clear that than more people are getting into crypto, and newer generations are not only more aware of it, but they’re also actively participating in the market.
I don't see any reason to beat the point to death, and I stand by what I already said.
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When an economic crisis occurs, gold prices increase because it’s considered a safe harbor, protects investors from rising inflation, fiat money can drop in value, concerns arise over the country’s debt and shortfall budget and many central banks purchase lots of gold. Since these things are happening, investors turn to gold for its liquidity and price keeps rising.Of course, this isn’t merely my personal opinion, it reflects a global pattern in which countries back their economic reserves with gold, and that has kept the traditional mindset of preserving capital very much alive.
For the past 13 years (at least) bitcoin has been and will continue to eat gold's lunch, so hopefully neither you or anyone else who are paying attention to bitcoin are holding any more than 10% the size of their bitcoin holdings in gold, and even 10% of the size of their bitcoin holdings in that shiny relic rock might be too much.
Haven't used them anyways, but Fuck you Bitstamp....
Well We losing the war to privacy. Decentralization is becoming a wishful dream.There still seem to be a lot of people buying and selling their bitcoin through exchanges, so surely it is likely best that any of us who are using bitcoin should keep considering possibilities to support any businesses who accept bitcoin, and also there may be ways that we try to interact with our neighbors by using bitcoin, though surely so many of us likely are not engaging in neighborly commerce in these times... so surely easier said than done, even though there still can be opportunities from time to time to directly interact and transact using bitcoin.
Anything, like anything, no matter how small, to humiliate this criminal, narcissistic, senile, moron fascist, who somehow, in a this weird reality, got voted in as POTUS, because appallingly ignorant majority of USA population, is a plus.
You seem mad. If America having an America first President bothers you, then you are either a brainwashed liberal who doesn't know what gender they are, 
Anyone should realize that Trump is Trump first, and sure once in a while he says the right words to make it seem that he might have some interests in benefitting America along the way too.. perhaps coincidentally to the extent that america first might align with trump first goals.
or you live in a country that has become way too comfortable being supported by Americans and the idea you can't grift off our wealth anymore sends you into a rage.
Grifting off of status in order to create more wealth or to take more wealth tends to be problematic when conflicts with representational duties. Much of the time, the self-dealing with Trump is quite outrageous.
Either way, America doesn't care.
There are a lot of ways to describe and attempt to assess what America stands for, wants and/or cares about. Surely Trump was elected into that position, while at the same time it can be seen that he is quite abusive of power and/or authority, in some ways worse than his first term.. but yeah, of course, he has different folks behind him now, and in some ways, he got better at abusing his power within the system... and sure there is a bit of a coalition behind him that are enabling the convicted conman, and the American voters chose to give him a get out of jail free card.. which may have made that criminal even worse, since what would we expect to have a convicted criminal elected into a very powerful office? There surely was a sense of desperation over the alternative, so in some ways the convicted criminal seemed better than the alternative... Go figure?
Trump got what we needed from Ukraine as far as a minerals deal. This deal was most likely just Greenland using America's interest to score a generous deal at the hands of an already stretched European taxpayer.
You sound like someone who will proclaim that whatever Trump does is "best." You cannot even admit that he is a problematic person.
Again, Trump wins. His haters weaken themselves, and liberals declare victory. I think some people would read The Art Of The Deal and still not be able to negotiate free water at a restaurant.
I doubt that any of this is as close to black and white as you are seeming to want to describe it... but hey whatever, you do you, and sure there may be some folks here who agree with your seemingly drunken love for that orange-headed dweeb.
I am not even against everything that Trump has done, yet there surely has been a lot of destruction that seems to be ongoing, and surely some folks love destruction, and it is not like there are easy solutions to some of the possible valid concerns that some of Trump's actions seem to be aimed at attempting to address.
I have one question to all the fellow here in the W.O, i know most of you are from U.S and and others from Europe so people there have the income to build savings and invest in something thinking about their future.
Well my question is the following, did you see more people investing on Bitcoin or you start to feel that some of the peoples are so silly and start to think, well "that train is already pass for me, so i will look into another opportunities" or "since this already passed and i miss it im gonna invest in the traditional way".
I ask this because when i talk with some friends about it they all said the same " its already above 100k if i buy now is not gonna be so much, its gonna be less than 0....." and other silly comments, and not matter what you say to them they think this bus is full and has gone, when this is clearly not the case.
They can still see a x10 in not so much time, but they still refused to believe.
In the other hand i think to myself, well is better to not have this people with us, his way of thinking are a shit and they are gonna be weak hands what we dont want to have.
What are your thoughts about this matter?.
Well my question is the following, did you see more people investing on Bitcoin or you start to feel that some of the peoples are so silly and start to think, well "that train is already pass for me, so i will look into another opportunities" or "since this already passed and i miss it im gonna invest in the traditional way".
I ask this because when i talk with some friends about it they all said the same " its already above 100k if i buy now is not gonna be so much, its gonna be less than 0....." and other silly comments, and not matter what you say to them they think this bus is full and has gone, when this is clearly not the case.
They can still see a x10 in not so much time, but they still refused to believe.
In the other hand i think to myself, well is better to not have this people with us, his way of thinking are a shit and they are gonna be weak hands what we dont want to have.
What are your thoughts about this matter?.
Of course, there is a never ending theme of everyone thinking that they are too late.
It seems that our current bull market is driven more by institutions, governments and/or some of the status quo rich, and not very much from retail. Sure there are a few enlightened retail, yet at the same time, many of them remain low coiners or no coiners. If they do not get in now, then they likely will have to get in later down the road, and they will have to pay higher prices, yet they are going to continue to have the same feelings about "it being too late," so they are their own worst enemy when they continue to fail/refuse to act in terms of getting started investing in bitcoin, even at our current prices.. they are still early, yet they believe that they are too late. Too bad for them, they will have to buy dee cornz at higher prices.
By the way, there are some retail starting to come into bitcoin through bitcoin spot ETFs.. .sure it is not direct ownership, but it is coming available through retirement accounts, but at the same time, I think that there are still a lot of limited entrants through the bitcoin spot ETFs.
About the price, come on Donald we dont need your declarations about taxes again, dont kill the vibe when we are facing new ATH after new ATH.
Who cares what the orange-headed dweeb does?
Australia, Baby Boomers in their 70 years are now showing an interest in Bitcoin and other digital assets that was previously unimaginable. Bitcoin is no longer just a young thing, older, more experienced investors are also taking it seriously. I am really impressed by their activity. I can now imagine how much Bitcoin has made older people interested in investing. As far as I know, there are many countries where 70 years old is the very end of life, meaning they are retired and have to worry about illness and death. But the Australians are the opposite, even at the age of 70, they are showing interest in learning new things and trying new things, which is what I really like. I can definitely say that Satoshi Nakamoto creation of Bitcoin is worthwhile here. I can strongly say that what is happening in Australia now, there will come a time when people all over the world will be interested in learning about Bitcoin and investing in it, this will happen very soon. For me, investing in Bitcoin is not just about being financially Self-reliant , but it is also a reflection of my love and faith.
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source of image: abc.net.au
source of image: abc.net.au
I have a hard time recommending 70 years or older to get into bitcoin unless they believe that they have at least a 4 year investment timeline, otherwise they are gambling rather than investing.
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There ya go my friend. My bad. Wouldn't want to upset my friends on this here famous thread. Although I'm very well aware I upset others and that's ok, lol.You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.
The US does all of the things he is accusing the EU of doing. In fact the US has even imprisoned EU CEOs to blackmail EU companies.
Bullies are not going to admit that they are bullies, and America was already bullies for at least the past 20 years... sure, maybe some of the tactics may have changed along the way, but overall bully.. check.
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First off, hopefully you know the difference between bitcoin and crypto, and you realize that we are not talking about crypto and/or shitcoins in this thread, unless maybe to denigrate some of them or to point out some certain idiocy connected with one or another shitcoins. So your use of the term shitcoin seems you don't know what bitcoin is (or what this thread is about) or perhaps you were merely trying to sound smart by pointing out some kind of higher level understanding that you supposedly have about bitcoin, which usually ends up backfiring when guys choose to use the vague, ambiguous and frequently misleading term of crypto when referring to bitcoin or something like bitcoin.
No.i don't mean to be weird about using this term. i really mean the crypto market and I know the differences and I really mentioned hope that more capital and people are entering this market and well, the most characteristic and famous thing in this market is Bitcoin and there is a high probability that this will have a positive effect on Bitcoin and some of them will flow towards Bitcoin.We are not too tolerant of the pumping of shitcoins in this thread or even ambiguous comments that might seem to be talking good about shitcoins, so it becomes problematic to go down a road that suggests that shitcoins bring benefits to bitcoin, especially when bitcoin is the reason for their existence in the first place... and so yeah, sure factually we have value moving in and out of bitcoin from various shitcoins, but it still is likely a pretty BIG so what? and a deviation from more interesting points that might not imply attempts to talk good about shitcoins... which would be a topic some other thread if you might want to talk about which shitcoins might be less shitty than other shitcoins.
Second, I will agree with you that more and more folks are getting into bitcoin, including that the size of the players in bitcoin are getting bigger too, yet that does not necessarily mean that bitcoin is going to become more volatile since it takes more capital to move the bitcoin price these days when bitcoin prices are supra $100k as compared to when bitcoin was sub $10k or even sub $1k.
I also didn't say anything about Bitcoin being unstable and i just said one thing about the future of the market which is actually a positive thing for Bitcoin which shows how much more important and key Bitcoin will become in the near future.It might not matter so much what you said exactly, yet I was responding to what you had said... which seems that you were saying that we are likely heading into more volatility.
Also, there is one more thing i want to say. i believe we’re entering a phase where price swings, especially upward ones, are going to happen more quickly and more often. And the reason is pretty clear that than more people are getting into crypto, and newer generations are not only more aware of it, but they’re also actively participating in the market.
I don't see any reason to beat the point to death, and I stand by what I already said.
[edited out]
When an economic crisis occurs, gold prices increase because it’s considered a safe harbor, protects investors from rising inflation, fiat money can drop in value, concerns arise over the country’s debt and shortfall budget and many central banks purchase lots of gold. Since these things are happening, investors turn to gold for its liquidity and price keeps rising.Of course, this isn’t merely my personal opinion, it reflects a global pattern in which countries back their economic reserves with gold, and that has kept the traditional mindset of preserving capital very much alive.
For the past 13 years (at least) bitcoin has been and will continue to eat gold's lunch, so hopefully neither you or anyone else who are paying attention to bitcoin are holding any more than 10% the size of their bitcoin holdings in gold, and even 10% of the size of their bitcoin holdings in that shiny relic rock might be too much.
Haven't used them anyways, but Fuck you Bitstamp....
Well We losing the war to privacy. Decentralization is becoming a wishful dream.There still seem to be a lot of people buying and selling their bitcoin through exchanges, so surely it is likely best that any of us who are using bitcoin should keep considering possibilities to support any businesses who accept bitcoin, and also there may be ways that we try to interact with our neighbors by using bitcoin, though surely so many of us likely are not engaging in neighborly commerce in these times... so surely easier said than done, even though there still can be opportunities from time to time to directly interact and transact using bitcoin.
Anything, like anything, no matter how small, to humiliate this criminal, narcissistic, senile, moron fascist, who somehow, in a this weird reality, got voted in as POTUS, because appallingly ignorant majority of USA population, is a plus.
You seem mad. If America having an America first President bothers you, then you are either a brainwashed liberal who doesn't know what gender they are, Anyone should realize that Trump is Trump first, and sure once in a while he says the right words to make it seem that he might have some interests in benefitting America along the way too.. perhaps coincidentally to the extent that america first might align with trump first goals.
or you live in a country that has become way too comfortable being supported by Americans and the idea you can't grift off our wealth anymore sends you into a rage.
Grifting off of status in order to create more wealth or to take more wealth tends to be problematic when conflicts with representational duties. Much of the time, the self-dealing with Trump is quite outrageous.
Either way, America doesn't care.
There are a lot of ways to describe and attempt to assess what America stands for, wants and/or cares about. Surely Trump was elected into that position, while at the same time it can be seen that he is quite abusive of power and/or authority, in some ways worse than his first term.. but yeah, of course, he has different folks behind him now, and in some ways, he got better at abusing his power within the system... and sure there is a bit of a coalition behind him that are enabling the convicted conman, and the American voters chose to give him a get out of jail free card.. which may have made that criminal even worse, since what would we expect to have a convicted criminal elected into a very powerful office? There surely was a sense of desperation over the alternative, so in some ways the convicted criminal seemed better than the alternative... Go figure?
Trump got what we needed from Ukraine as far as a minerals deal. This deal was most likely just Greenland using America's interest to score a generous deal at the hands of an already stretched European taxpayer.
You sound like someone who will proclaim that whatever Trump does is "best." You cannot even admit that he is a problematic person.
Again, Trump wins. His haters weaken themselves, and liberals declare victory. I think some people would read The Art Of The Deal and still not be able to negotiate free water at a restaurant.
I doubt that any of this is as close to black and white as you are seeming to want to describe it... but hey whatever, you do you, and sure there may be some folks here who agree with your seemingly drunken love for that orange-headed dweeb.
I am not even against everything that Trump has done, yet there surely has been a lot of destruction that seems to be ongoing, and surely some folks love destruction, and it is not like there are easy solutions to some of the possible valid concerns that some of Trump's actions seem to be aimed at attempting to address.
I have one question to all the fellow here in the W.O, i know most of you are from U.S and and others from Europe so people there have the income to build savings and invest in something thinking about their future.
Well my question is the following, did you see more people investing on Bitcoin or you start to feel that some of the peoples are so silly and start to think, well "that train is already pass for me, so i will look into another opportunities" or "since this already passed and i miss it im gonna invest in the traditional way".
I ask this because when i talk with some friends about it they all said the same " its already above 100k if i buy now is not gonna be so much, its gonna be less than 0....." and other silly comments, and not matter what you say to them they think this bus is full and has gone, when this is clearly not the case.
They can still see a x10 in not so much time, but they still refused to believe.
In the other hand i think to myself, well is better to not have this people with us, his way of thinking are a shit and they are gonna be weak hands what we dont want to have.
What are your thoughts about this matter?.
Well my question is the following, did you see more people investing on Bitcoin or you start to feel that some of the peoples are so silly and start to think, well "that train is already pass for me, so i will look into another opportunities" or "since this already passed and i miss it im gonna invest in the traditional way".
I ask this because when i talk with some friends about it they all said the same " its already above 100k if i buy now is not gonna be so much, its gonna be less than 0....." and other silly comments, and not matter what you say to them they think this bus is full and has gone, when this is clearly not the case.
They can still see a x10 in not so much time, but they still refused to believe.
In the other hand i think to myself, well is better to not have this people with us, his way of thinking are a shit and they are gonna be weak hands what we dont want to have.
What are your thoughts about this matter?.
Of course, there is a never ending theme of everyone thinking that they are too late.
It seems that our current bull market is driven more by institutions, governments and/or some of the status quo rich, and not very much from retail. Sure there are a few enlightened retail, yet at the same time, many of them remain low coiners or no coiners. If they do not get in now, then they likely will have to get in later down the road, and they will have to pay higher prices, yet they are going to continue to have the same feelings about "it being too late," so they are their own worst enemy when they continue to fail/refuse to act in terms of getting started investing in bitcoin, even at our current prices.. they are still early, yet they believe that they are too late. Too bad for them, they will have to buy dee cornz at higher prices.
By the way, there are some retail starting to come into bitcoin through bitcoin spot ETFs.. .sure it is not direct ownership, but it is coming available through retirement accounts, but at the same time, I think that there are still a lot of limited entrants through the bitcoin spot ETFs.
About the price, come on Donald we dont need your declarations about taxes again, dont kill the vibe when we are facing new ATH after new ATH.
Who cares what the orange-headed dweeb does?
Australia, Baby Boomers in their 70 years are now showing an interest in Bitcoin and other digital assets that was previously unimaginable. Bitcoin is no longer just a young thing, older, more experienced investors are also taking it seriously. I am really impressed by their activity. I can now imagine how much Bitcoin has made older people interested in investing. As far as I know, there are many countries where 70 years old is the very end of life, meaning they are retired and have to worry about illness and death. But the Australians are the opposite, even at the age of 70, they are showing interest in learning new things and trying new things, which is what I really like. I can definitely say that Satoshi Nakamoto creation of Bitcoin is worthwhile here. I can strongly say that what is happening in Australia now, there will come a time when people all over the world will be interested in learning about Bitcoin and investing in it, this will happen very soon. For me, investing in Bitcoin is not just about being financially Self-reliant , but it is also a reflection of my love and faith.
source of image: abc.net.au
source of image: abc.net.au
I have a hard time recommending 70 years or older to get into bitcoin unless they believe that they have at least a 4 year investment timeline, otherwise they are gambling rather than investing.
[edited out]
There ya go my friend. My bad. Wouldn't want to upset my friends on this here famous thread. Although I'm very well aware I upset others and that's ok, lol.You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.
The US does all of the things he is accusing the EU of doing. In fact the US has even imprisoned EU CEOs to blackmail EU companies.
Bullies are not going to admit that they are bullies, and America was already bullies for at least the past 20 years... sure, maybe some of the tactics may have changed along the way, but overall bully.. check.