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Edited on 06/06/2025, 19:08:07 UTC
Other topic was locked while I was typing. But still, I wanted to publish it, so I do it here as it's most related topic:
BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.
Attacking targets that are only available because the “enemy” is following nuclear treaties is one of the more cowardly war moves I’ve seen. Leave it to Ukraine to have done it right before peace talks while asking for a ceasefire. I’m having a tough time sympathizing with them. They seem to be begging for Russia to respond with nuclear weapons.
I'm not really sure how attacking targets which are used against you is coward move? These bombers were used in massive missiles attack on Ukraine. This is the most legitimate targets - Ukraine has right to defend themselves. It's not like attacking civilian or critical infrastructure.BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/ukraine-russia-trump-drones/683043/
Donald Trump has openly vented in recent weeks about Putin’s unwillingness to end the war. But since Sunday’s attack, which hit a series of Russian military airfields, the president has privately expressed frustration that the strike could escalate the conflict, according to three administration officials and an outside adviser to the White House. (They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.)
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.
Look at the bigger picture (macro). Problem with that is that it's a clear indication that Zelenskii doesn't want to end this now and wants Ukraine to continue fighting. Doubling down naturally also raises risks and moves this into all or nothing stage. This means further deterioration in financial, political, and manpower positions on both sides. Not much politics happening in Russia and Ukraine, so short term the political risks fall on Europe. We see more and more right-wing nationalists coming into power (Poland) putting further pressure on the whole concept of EU, who benefits from this? Finances in Ukraine are non existent, so financial risks also fall on Europe further reducing the wealth of its citizens. So not much for Europeans to be happy about. Financial aspect also effects Russia, but Russians overall have a much higher tolerance for reduced buying capacity and I don't think anyone foresees food shortages in this day and age. Manpower is obvious, 4-1 difference in population thus the "to the last Ukrainian" cliche.
President Trump compared Russia and Ukraine with "children fighting in the park" on Thursday and suggested it might be better to let them keep on fighting for a while. Why it matters: Trump's remarks were another signal that he thinks Russia and Ukraine aren't ready to make peace, and that he's considering stepping back from his initiative to convince them to do so.
Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.
But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.
Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.
But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.
Trump sees what's going on and indicates that he wants to step back and let "Russia and Ukraine fight it out a while longer". Trump cannot be any clearer in his intent to distance from this conflict, so those risks wouldn't effect US. Once again who benefits from this the most? I couldn't find a single angle where Ukrainian people would stand to benefit, they're just getting completely fucked and cannot do anything about it, it's a shame but that's the role of a sacrificial pawn.
One would need complete lack of critical thinking and a lobotomy to believe that Ukrainian intelligence went from total incompetence to some super advanced unit capable of pulling the most sophisticated attacks on a territory of another country that even major powers wouldn't risk of attempting, all
everyone totally believes that right?Version 1
Scraped on 06/06/2025, 18:43:22 UTC
Other topic was locked while I was typing. But still, I wanted to publish it, so I do it here as it's most related topic:
BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.
Attacking targets that are only available because the “enemy” is following nuclear treaties is one of the more cowardly war moves I’ve seen. Leave it to Ukraine to have done it right before peace talks while asking for a ceasefire. I’m having a tough time sympathizing with them. They seem to be begging for Russia to respond with nuclear weapons.
I'm not really sure how attacking targets which are used against you is coward move? These bombers were used in massive missiles attack on Ukraine. This is the most legitimate targets - Ukraine has right to defend themselves. It's not like attacking civilian or critical infrastructure.BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/ukraine-russia-trump-drones/683043/
Donald Trump has openly vented in recent weeks about Putin’s unwillingness to end the war. But since Sunday’s attack, which hit a series of Russian military airfields, the president has privately expressed frustration that the strike could escalate the conflict, according to three administration officials and an outside adviser to the White House. (They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.)
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.
Look at the bigger picture (macro). Problem with that is that it's a clear indication that Zelenskii doesn't want to end this now and wants Ukraine to continue fighting. Doubling down naturally also raises risks and moves this into all or nothing stage. This means further deterioration in financial, political, and manpower positions on both sides. Not much politics happening in Russia and Ukraine, so short term the political risks fall on Europe. We see more and more right-wing nationalists coming into power (Poland) putting further pressure on the whole concept of EU, who benefits from this? Finances in Ukraine are non existent, so financial risks also fall on Europe further reducing the wealth of its citizens. So not much for Europeans to be happy about. Financial aspect also effects Russia, but Russians overall have a much higher tolerance for reduced buying capacity and I don't think anyone foresees food shortages in this day and age. Manpower is obvious, 4-1 difference in population thus the "to the last Ukrainian" cliche.
President Trump compared Russia and Ukraine with "children fighting in the park" on Thursday and suggested it might be better to let them keep on fighting for a while. Why it matters: Trump's remarks were another signal that he thinks Russia and Ukraine aren't ready to make peace, and that he's considering stepping back from his initiative to convince them to do so.
Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.
But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.
Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.
But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.
Trump sees what's going on and indicates that he wants to step back and let "Russia and Ukraine fight it out a while longer". Trump cannot be any clearer in his intent to distance from this conflict, so those risks wouldn't effect US. Once again who benefits from this the most? I couldn't find a single angle where Ukrainian people would stand to benefit, they're just getting completely fucked and cannot do anything about it, it's a shame but that's the role of a sacrificial pawn.
One would need complete lack of critical thinking and a lobotomy to believe that Ukrainian intelligence went from total incompetence to some super advanced unit capable of pulling the most sophisticated attacks that even major powers wouldn't risk of attempting all just in three years. While we're suppose to believe that European intelligence services are all incompetent clowns, unable to even change a light bulb or going on for three years cannot figure out who's responsible for committing that largest sabotage in Europe
everyone totally believes that right?Original archived Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
Scraped on 06/06/2025, 18:38:23 UTC
Other topic was locked while I was typing. But still, I wanted to publish it, so I do it here as it's most related topic:
BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.
Attacking targets that are only available because the “enemy” is following nuclear treaties is one of the more cowardly war moves I’ve seen. Leave it to Ukraine to have done it right before peace talks while asking for a ceasefire. I’m having a tough time sympathizing with them. They seem to be begging for Russia to respond with nuclear weapons.
I'm not really sure how attacking targets which are used against you is coward move? These bombers were used in massive missiles attack on Ukraine. This is the most legitimate targets - Ukraine has right to defend themselves. It's not like attacking civilian or critical infrastructure.BTW, as paxmao said, Russia don't follow nuclear treaty, they even exit it 2 years ago.
And these peace talks, for how long we hear about it? Probably already half of 2025. But in reality nothing happens and there is no signs that something is going to happen anytime soon.
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/ukraine-russia-trump-drones/683043/
Donald Trump has openly vented in recent weeks about Putin’s unwillingness to end the war. But since Sunday’s attack, which hit a series of Russian military airfields, the president has privately expressed frustration that the strike could escalate the conflict, according to three administration officials and an outside adviser to the White House. (They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.)
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.
These sources told me that the drone strike has reignited the president’s long-held displeasure with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and prompted a new debate in the White House about whether the United States should abandon Ukraine. Throughout the war, Trump has deemed Zelensky a “bad guy” and a “hothead,” the outside adviser said—someone who could be pushing the globe toward World War III. Trump privately echoed a right-wing talking point this week by criticizing Zelensky for supposedly showboating after the drone attacks; according to the adviser, Trump was impressed with the audacity of the strikes but believes that Zelensky’s focus should have been on Ukraine-Russia negotiations in Istanbul.
Look at the bigger picture (macro). Problem with that is that it's a clear indication that Zelenskii doesn't want to end this now and wants Ukraine to continue fighting. Doubling down naturally also raises risks and moves this into all or nothing stage. This means further deterioration in financial, political, and manpower positions on both sides. Not much politics happening in Russia and Ukraine, so short term the political risks fall on Europe. We see more and more right-wing nationalists coming into power (Poland) putting further pressure on the whole concept of EU, who benefits from this? Finances in Ukraine are non existent, so financial risks also fall on Europe further reducing the wealth of its citizens. Financial aspect also effects Russia, but Russians overall have a much higher tolerance for reduced buying capacity and I don't think anyone foresees food shortages in this day and age. Manpower is obvious, 4-1 difference in population thus the "to the last Ukrainian" cliche.
President Trump compared Russia and Ukraine with "children fighting in the park" on Thursday and suggested it might be better to let them keep on fighting for a while. Why it matters: Trump's remarks were another signal that he thinks Russia and Ukraine aren't ready to make peace, and that he's considering stepping back from his initiative to convince them to do so.
Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.
But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.
Ukrainian officials are concerned that retreat from Trump will only serve Russia's interests.
But Trump said the "bad blood" and deep "hatred" between the sides — combined with Russian President Vladimir Putin's commitment to hitting back hard for the surprise attack inside Russia — would make it hard to reach a ceasefire any time soon.
Trump indicates that he wants to step back and let "Russia and Ukraine fight it out a while longer". Trump cannot be any clearer in his intent to distance from this conflict, so those risks wouldn't effect US. Once again who benefits from this the most? I couldn't find a single angle where Ukrainian people would stand to benefit, they're just getting completely fucked and cannot do anything about it, it's a shame but that's the role of a pawn.
One would need complete lack of critical thinking and a lobotomy to believe that Ukrainian intelligence went from total incompetence to some super advanced unit capable of pulling the most sophisticated attacks that even major powers wouldn't risk of attempting all just in three years. While we're suppose to believe that European intelligence services are all incompetent clowns, unable to even change a light bulb or going on for three years cannot figure out who's responsible for committing that largest sabotage in Europe
everyone totally believes that right?