Quote from: nutildah on Today at 07:55:14 AM

Quote from: headingnorth on Today at 06:23:33 AM

Bitcoin works by consensus. Without consensus, the proposal should not go through.

Without consensus bitcoin is no longer decentralized. Bitcoin is then controlled and dictated by a
handful of devs no different than any shitcoin, no better than a CBDC. Bitcoin is no longer bitcoin.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 07:55:14 AM

This is true, but its a two way street. Who determines what "consensus" actually entails? Ideally it should include a thorough
weighing of pros and cons of any suggested change by a robust group of individuals who are knowledgeable enough to formulate
a meaningful opinion on the subject, whatever it may be.

I believe the community and the nodes determine that. I'm not exactly sure how the process works but I think we can all agree
there is no clear consensus for this latest proposal. Perhaps some kind of voting mechanism could be implemented for future BIPs,
or at least a survey or polling to help us get a more clear picture of community sentiment.

Quote from: nutildah on Today at 07:55:14 AM

So what I'm saying is that, even if the proposal is declined and the outcome is favorable to you personally,
there will still be people claiming the consensus mechanism in Core is "broken."

Of course there can never be 100% support for any proposal and it's not reasonable to expect 100% agreement for anything,
but there has to be a clear consensus. In the case of the op_return debate the solution is very simple. Let the nodes decide not the devs:
You do that by simply leaving the op-return limit in place. The limit can be raised or removed by the node. The nodes should decide how they want
to run their node not the devs.

I don't know why the hell this is even a debate when the solution is so obvious and already in place, and working well. If it ain't broke don't fix it!

If a node operator believes bitcoin should be a generic database capable of doing a million different things outside the scope of its
intended purpose as a monetary network they can simply raise the data limit on their node. But if you believe bitcoin is a monetary network, period,
then simply leave the limit in place. That's how it currently works and there is no valid reason to change that.
Having the choice is the compromise. If it were up to me the op-return limit would be hardcoded to 42K or 80K with no option to change it at all.
But it isn't up to me. Having the option to raise the limit is the compromise.

Bitcoin is about having choices, not being told by an unknown "robust group of individuals" that decides what is good for us. It is insulting and condescending.