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Franky, you seem to live in a paralle universe. The negotiations do not start in the dates you mention, they have been going for many weeks, and Israel has seen how Iran played TACO while advancing their programme.

Your understanding of Iran and what the US regime calls negotiations is completely wrong.

the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short.
Wrong.
Iran as a member of NPT and IAEA has a nuclear program like all other members and is under inspection like other members.
Iran unlike other members is under 20 to 30 times more inspections with lots more inspectors assigned to the country.
All IAEA reports so far indicate a peaceful nuclear program according to the international laws and treaties without finding any shred of evidence regarding weapons program.

Trump wants Iran to stop having a nuclear program. Something that ain't gonna happen in a million years since not only it is against international law it is against Iran's sovereignty.
That's not even the main thing the US regime wants. They want to disarm Iran so that they can invade Iran like they invaded Iraq. The WMD lie is similar too. That ain't gonna happen either Wink

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Most of you may be aware that Iran has been enriching Uranium near atomic weapons grade for quite a while.
Wrong.
Weapon grade enrichment is >90% whereas Iran has been enriching Uranium at 60%.
Additionally as a member of NPT Iran is allowed to enrich Uranium even at >90% because enrichment has nothing to do with proliferation.

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I am going to be stating some facts,
Wrong.
You are repeating propaganda.

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I feel better in a world in which the Ayatolahs do not have a red button.
And you are fine living in a world where Zionist child killers who are found guilty of genocide by international court to have nukes even after murdering 200,000 people?
How about the rednecks who have one of the largest arsenal of WMDs and have a history of using them like when they used 2 nukes in Japan slaughtering people after the war had ended and Japan had surrendered?

interesting...

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Israel cannot aford to have a nuclearised Iran, since the current regime call for the destruction of the state of Israel
The world is demanding the disarming of the terrorist regime that has been carrying out genocide in Gaza. Iran will dismantle that terrorist organization the way the world demands.
It does not need to or is capable of using a nuke on occupied Palestine because it is occupied Palestine. A nuke hitting there would kill Palestinians not just the Zionist terrorists that are occupying it.

That's apart from the fact that weapons of mass destruction is considered haram by Islam and Iran has not yet pursued them (I say yet because when the nation is threatened the posture can change since majority of Iranians are demanding nukes after US-Israel Axis started its recent terrorist attacks on civilians).

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Effectively, Israel is a relatively small country, and three or four well placed modern warheads would collapse the state and make in unliveable.
Israel has already become unlivable for the occupiers and Iran hasn't even began. So far only a small number of 20-30 year old missiles have hit Israel in retaliation for the terrorist attacks they carried out in Iran.
It is already collapsing.

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Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile.
The propagandists you are repeating were once saying that Iran can't hit Israel because they are incapable of building any missiles that can reach that far. They were saying the missiles they show is "photoshopped" Wink
It's been raining missiles across Israel over the past 4 days.

You give me too much work...

Firstly read carefully - Nobody here said that Iran does not have missiles, however to put a nuke in one you need certain technologies. Since Iran started testing those capabilities and creating the required Uranium, the argument of "peaceful use" is obviously a lie. The enrichment is absolutely linked to proliferation. In fact, in the next paragraph you argue that Iran is in his right to get nukes. You should try to make sense with yourself.

This is Iran's "compliance:

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(e) Regretting that despite the above resolutions by the Board and numerous opportunities provided by the Director General since 2019, Iran has failed to provide the co-operation required under its Safeguards Agreement, impeding Agency verification activities, sanitizing locations,
and repeatedly failing to provide the Agency with technically credible explanations for the presence of uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at several undeclared locations in Iran or information on the current location(s) of nuclear material and/or of contaminated equipment,
[/b]

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-38.pdf

And before you say some stupid shit, this is actually the IAEA, not your "wester propaganda media". Read carefully: "Failing to provide the agency with technically credible explanations..."

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(f) Noting the Director General’s conclusion contained in GOV/2025/25 that Iran did not
declare nuclear material and nuclear-related activities at three undeclared locations in Iran,
specifically, Lavisan-Shian, Varamin, and Turquzabad, and that, because of the lack of technically
credible answers by Iran, the Agency is not in a position to determine whether the nuclear material
at these undeclared locations in Iran has been consumed, mixed with other declared material, or
is still outside of Safeguards,

(g) Noting with concern the Agency’s conclusion that these undeclared locations were part of
an undeclared, structured programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s, and that some of
these activities used undeclared nuclear material,

(h) Noting with concern the Agency’s conclusion that Iran retained unknown nuclear material
and/or heavily contaminated equipment, and other assets, arising from the former undeclared
structured nuclear programme, at Turquzabad in the period 2009 until 2018, after which items
were removed from the location, the whereabouts of which remain unknown,

You are an absolute hypocrite and that is why you fit perfectly in your role. The only reason the Ayatolahs want nukes is to preserve THE REGIME. Once they get these weapons, it is immensely more risky to allow a revolution or a regime change. This has never been about Iran, it is always about the Ayatolah's regime.

I am not fine with anyone having nukes, but. I am particularly worried about iran due to the regime, just as many people are. I assume that the moment Iran has nukes, then Arabia, Oman, ... all of them will need them to keep the status quo.

As far as I know, Israel has had nukes for several decades and did not use them against Iran. All the rest of your claims belong in a different discussion.


Original archived Re: Why Israel decided to strike Iran
Scraped on 16/06/2025, 23:42:06 UTC
Franky, you seem to live in a paralle universe. The negotiations do not start in the dates you mention, they have been going for many weeks, and Israel has seen how Iran played TACO while advancing their programme.

Your understanding of Iran and what the US regime calls negotiations is completely wrong.

the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short.
Wrong.
Iran as a member of NPT and IAEA has a nuclear program like all other members and is under inspection like other members.
Iran unlike other members is under 20 to 30 times more inspections with lots more inspectors assigned to the country.
All IAEA reports so far indicate a peaceful nuclear program according to the international laws and treaties without finding any shred of evidence regarding weapons program.

Trump wants Iran to stop having a nuclear program. Something that ain't gonna happen in a million years since not only it is against international law it is against Iran's sovereignty.
That's not even the main thing the US regime wants. They want to disarm Iran so that they can invade Iran like they invaded Iraq. The WMD lie is similar too. That ain't gonna happen either Wink

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Most of you may be aware that Iran has been enriching Uranium near atomic weapons grade for quite a while.
Wrong.
Weapon grade enrichment is >90% whereas Iran has been enriching Uranium at 60%.
Additionally as a member of NPT Iran is allowed to enrich Uranium even at >90% because enrichment has nothing to do with proliferation.

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I am going to be stating some facts,
Wrong.
You are repeating propaganda.

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I feel better in a world in which the Ayatolahs do not have a red button.
And you are fine living in a world where Zionist child killers who are found guilty of genocide by international court to have nukes even after murdering 200,000 people?
How about the rednecks who have one of the largest arsenal of WMDs and have a history of using them like when they used 2 nukes in Japan slaughtering people after the war had ended and Japan had surrendered?

interesting...

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Israel cannot aford to have a nuclearised Iran, since the current regime call for the destruction of the state of Israel
The world is demanding the disarming of the terrorist regime that has been carrying out genocide in Gaza. Iran will dismantle that terrorist organization the way the world demands.
It does not need to or is capable of using a nuke on occupied Palestine because it is occupied Palestine. A nuke hitting there would kill Palestinians not just the Zionist terrorists that are occupying it.

That's apart from the fact that weapons of mass destruction is considered haram by Islam and Iran has not yet pursued them (I say yet because when the nation is threatened the posture can change since majority of Iranians are demanding nukes after US-Israel Axis started its recent terrorist attacks on civilians).

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Effectively, Israel is a relatively small country, and three or four well placed modern warheads would collapse the state and make in unliveable.
Israel has already become unlivable for the occupiers and Iran hasn't even began. So far only a small number of 20-30 year old missiles have hit Israel in retaliation for the terrorist attacks they carried out in Iran.
It is already collapsing.

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Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile.
The propagandists you are repeating were once saying that Iran can't hit Israel because they are incapable of building any missiles that can reach that far. They were saying the missiles they show is "photoshopped" Wink
It's been raining missiles across Israel over the past 4 days.

You give me too much work...

Firstly read carefully - Nobody here said that Iran does not have missiles, however to put a nuke in one you need certain technologies. Since Iran started testing those capabilities and creating the required Uranium, the argument of "peaceful use" is obviously a lie. The enrichment is absolutely linked to proliferation. In fact, in the next paragraph you argue that Iran is in his right to get nukes. You should try to make sense with yourself.

This is Iran's "compliance:

Quote
(e) Regretting that despite the above resolutions by the Board and numerous opportunities provided by the Director General since 2019, Iran has failed to provide the co-operation required under its Safeguards Agreement, impeding Agency verification activities, sanitizing locations,
and repeatedly failing to provide the Agency with technically credible explanations for the presence of uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at several undeclared locations in Iran or information on the current location(s) of nuclear material and/or of contaminated equipment,
[/b]

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-38.pdf

And before you say some stupid shit, this is actually the IAEA, not your "wester propaganda media". Read carefully: "Failing to provide the agency with technically credible explanations..."

Quote
(f) Noting the Director General’s conclusion contained in GOV/2025/25 that Iran did not
declare nuclear material and nuclear-related activities at three undeclared locations in Iran,
specifically, Lavisan-Shian, Varamin, and Turquzabad, and that, because of the lack of technically
credible answers by Iran, the Agency is not in a position to determine whether the nuclear material
at these undeclared locations in Iran has been consumed, mixed with other declared material, or
is still outside of Safeguards,

(g) Noting with concern the Agency’s conclusion that these undeclared locations were part of
an undeclared, structured programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s, and that some of
these activities used undeclared nuclear material,

(h) Noting with concern the Agency’s conclusion that Iran retained unknown nuclear material
and/or heavily contaminated equipment, and other assets, arising from the former undeclared
structured nuclear programme, at Turquzabad in the period 2009 until 2018, after which items
were removed from the location, the whereabouts of which remain unknown,

You are an absolute hypocrite and that is why you fit perfectly in your role.

I am not fine with anyone having nukes, but. I am particularly worried about iran due to the regime, just as many people are. I assume that the moment Iran has nukes, then Arabia, Oman, ... all of them will need them to keep the status quo.

As far as I know, Israel has had nukes for several decades and did not use them against Iran. All the rest of your claims belong in a different discussion.