You've said it all. Everyone has their own priorities and what's actually important to them, and since it's never the same, it's left for each of us to just skip through all the noise and just figure out what's really important to us. Yes, it's left for everyone to hear and accept whatever they want and discard whatever they want, but it's always of utmost importance that we should, at all time, do our due diligence first, rather than just accepting whatever they through at you, because not everything is at it seems.

Effectively managing one's cashflow can actually be quite a big deal, especially when it involves bitcoin investment, this is because, cash flow management isn't something that one can actually master from the beginning. No, it's something you gotta work on, in order to develop and maybe perfect someday, it's always a gradual process. Starting your accumulation with a small amount, like $10 and then gradually increasin the amount overtime can actually be a pretty great strategy.

 It's a process and you gotta take it one step at a time. Consistency and discipline is also the key, because when you're consistent in your accumulation and also work towards improving your strategy, you'll have a pretty much higher chances of reaching your goals.

Each of us is still responsible to figure out the good from the bad information, and sure many of us are vulnerable in terms of hearing what we want to hear and not necessarily engaging in sufficient/adequate due diligence.. including figuring out how to manage our cashflows, which is likely amongst the most important of things to figure out in the beginning of investing into bitcoin.. and we don't even need to have our cashflow management figured out at the beginning, since we should be able to figure out the details as we go, including our getting started investing in bitcoin, even with a mere $10 per week. .and then perhaps figuring out the extent that we might be able to increase that down the road to $100 per week and/or more dedication towards allocating more of our time, energy and/or our monetary value into investing into bitcoin and assuring that our cashflow management systems are sufficiently shored up (including our building and maintaining various kinds of back up funds).


I doubt that Saylor is a good example for regular people who need to tend to figure out how to manage their money and to stay within their own personal financial and psychological limitations.

Sure, Saylor show why to be bullish about bitcoin.. yet not too many folks are going to either start out at that level of conviction about bitcoin, and also there are not too many guys who are going to have anything even close to Saylor/MSTR's financial means and likely various resources (and already built-in experience and intelligence too).

Guys can get themselves into some BIG ASS troubles if they are trying to unrealistically model themselves after Saylor/MSTR rather than attempting to be more realistic within their own financial (and real world rather than fantasylandia) circumstances.

I largely agree with Gost ms in terms of both the existence of a learning curve in regards to bitcoin investing (and especially cashflow management) and that experience tends to be one of the best of teachers, even if we might be both engaging in experiences while trying to study the space (and our own financial/psychological circumstances at the same time).

By the way, I get quite skeptical when guys proclaim things to be "as simple as that" since even very basic practices can have a variety of ways in which things can go wrong, even if many of us likely already hold quite a few of the basic skills and/or perspectives, such as various basic math skills and even basic common sense skills.. yet at the same time, even if we possess the basics, we could well end up getting tricked into making mistakes if we come at bitcoin investing and cashflow management as if it were simple, basic and not in need of reverence, humility and respect. 

Each of us has to figure out these matters, including sometimes not even realizing some of our own weaknesses until we are put the the test of practicing our skills over 1-2 cycles or even longer. .and surely if we are paying attention and trying to tweak our practices to improve ourselves and our techniques, then likely we can get better and better and better over the years of application and practice, yet we are not just going to know our limitations without practice, and even folks who come to bitcoin with years of related financial and other life experiences could end up screwing up their approach to bitcoin investing and their cashflow management if they presume that everything is simple and presume that they already know everything that they need to know.  From my own perspective, there surely is a lot of value in regards to trying to remain humble and recognizing/appreciating that there are a variety of ways that we can end up screwing up, even when we think that we have everything under control and properly hedged in accordance with our own financial and psychological circumstances.


I largely agree with your various points Sticky Bomb, including that there is value in regards to trying to outline our various goals and even to circumscribe a going forward method, yet I doubt that anyone is going to end up being so rigid as to establish a plan or to be able to figure out his goals and then to be able to stick to such path, especially since there may be a lot of things that we don't really know in the beginning, so we are acting and setting our targets with ballpark ideas in regards to the direction that we would like to go and maybe even some potential timeline in which we would like to get there.. yet at the same time, there tends to be quite a bit of lack of rigidity in our being able to calculate everything.

Let's say, for example, a guy is in his late 20s and he is planning on investing into bitcoin fairly aggressively with between 15% and 25% of his income, so he anticipates that after 4-7 years he would have had invested 1 years worth of income into bitcoin, yet at the same time, he is not completely sure how bitcoin will perform and he is also not sure about his ability to sustain his income based on various expected changes in his life in the next 4-10 years and beyond, so maybe he has around a $25k per year job, and he is tentatively thinking that he will be able to increase his income in the next 4-10 years (such as doubling it), and he is also tentatively thinking that the value of his income is not necessarily going to rise, even if he is able to double his income in the next 4-10 years, so he is tentatively thinking that by the time that he reaches his target he is likely going to need to support a standard of living of about $80k to $100k in order to either be at his same standard of living and maybe to advance slightly from his current standard of living.

He already anticipates that as he goes, and as the years go on, he is going to need to adjust based on knowns, known unknowns and even unknown unknowns, yet he is still going to ballparkedly plan with expectations that he is going to need to make adjustments at various points along the way that will also attepmt to incorporate anything that he might learn along the way, including adjusting to any mistakes that he might well end up making along the way, too... He actually expects that he will be making some mistakes along the way, even though he is trying to plan and to execute in such a way to minimize the quantity of his mistakes or the severity of any of his mistakes.


I agree with everything that you said Lembo69, except you seem to have a traders mindset if you are thinking in timelines that are only 2 years-ish.

You talk about investing for this cycle, and then you cannot even come to any realization that a cycle is 4 years in order to help you with a logical conclusion that a minimum of 4 years holding time would be required to get through a whole cycle. .and many of us also proclaim that each of us should be investing with money that we can afford to lose, so that we might never need the money (or that we are willing to take the chances that we could end up losing the money that we had invested into bitcoin.

But, yeah, of course, each of us likely should remain prepared that we could lose all of the money that we invested into bitcoin, yet there still may well be an anticipation that we are potentially wanting to start to withdraw from our bitcoin in 4-10 years or further down the road.  Many times I suggest that the only reason that we might consider our investment timeline to be less than 10 years would  be based on health and/oir age considerations.

Something seems wrong with your thinking if you consider minimum investment timelines that could go as low as 2 years... since from my perspective, anything around 2 years or even less than 4 years would be trading (gambling) rather than investing.. so it seems problematic to describe any less than 4 year timeline as if it could be considered investing rather than trading (gambling).


You make a couple of decent points Finebone; however, you seem to be creating extra requirements on guys prior to their being able to get started investing in bitcoin.

What is wrong with getting started in the buying of bitcoin (right away and as soon as possible) based on having some discretionary funds available, even if that available amount might ONLY be $10 or $10 per week or something like that... and then as such person is getting started buying bitcoin, can't he work out the various details about his cashflow management and/or other aspects of his investment plan and timeline for investment as he goes rather than having some studying requirements and/or income requirements that he supposedly needs to fulfill prior to getting started?


I think that you are correct Joy- maker in terms that there continues to be some faith that is present with the ongoing investment into bitcoin, yet I cannot see how you are contradicting Finebone's assertion that faith is likely not going to be very valuable without at least some amount of work to accompany it, whether the work is merely thought process and logical or perhaps various preparation actions that some of us might have to take prior to our developing some meaning behind the faith that we have in regards to bitcoin.

I cannot really go back in my own memory regarding how my faith and/or conviction in bitcoin had developed prior to late 2013 since I cannot really recall the extent to which I heard about bitcoin prior to around October 2013.  I recall that I had bookmarked a bitcoin related website in my web browser in around October 2023, and I am pretty sure that I had heard the word bitcoin prior to October 2013, since I can recalll the context of seeing the term bitcoin, I had already had some impression of it, but the impression was merely that I felt that I needed to look into it further, and that was the reason that I had bookmarked the tab in the first place..

By the way in October and even going into November 2013, I had been researching into other investments, and I was specifically looking for some kind of an investment that would be a hedge against the dollar and something like gold, yet I did not like what I had found related to gold in terms of paper gold and fees for moving physical gold around and figuring out how to source physical gold, so then when a person in another discussion thread had told me that he had gotten quite rich off of bitcoin between late 2012-ish and late 2013-ish, I thought that the guy did not know what he was talking about because he was so young and he seemed to have had been merely guessing, yet at the same time, my interaction with the guy stimulated me to go back to the bitcoin page(s) that I had bookmarked in my browser...and so then, as I read through that bookmarked page (that had several sub-references), I was already convinced that I needed to get started and to figure out how I was going to source my first bitcoin purchase(s).. and so for me, I was already receptive to getting started and even formulating a 6-month bitcoin investment plan since I was already in the process of looking for an investment category that I thought would complement my other already existing investments.. and surely I did not need a lot of convincing to get started, and I had also considered my first 6 months investing into bitcoin as a trial period and that I would be employing a tentative buying plan (that was largely DCA) while studying the matter further and reassessing the situation after the first 6 months of trial.   So faith can be composed of a combination of thoughts and actions and even the reinforcement of the thoughts and actions with the passage of time, yet at the same time, if there would be contrary information coming out, then that contrary information likely needs to be considered.

I doubt that guys who came to bitcoin 4-5 years before me were necessarily in any different position from me, except that they would have had even less of a track record than the track record that I saw in bitcoin in late 2013.

What I think about this is that once you have a source of income you are good to go, because it's through that source you will be making out your discretionary income needed to invest in Bitcoin, but for your investment journey to be smooth you need to have the basic knowledge about Bitcoin and how to go about your accumulation, alone the line you can learn more and have deeper knowledge on all that pertaining to Bitcoin investment.
As for the aspect of faith, it's very funny to think that faith plays a role on how successful you are going to be, because even the bible says that faith without works is dead, so if you don't do whats need to be done, their is no way you will be successful in your investment wether you believe or not.

Just like you have said we don’t require to get all the knowledge about Bitcoin but just some little details on starting an investment in Bitcoin, But I will disagree with you about having faith for bitcoin investment because it has nothing to do with faith I really don’t think bitcoin got to this level all because of faith, I think you don’t need a stable income to invest in bitcoin but rather what is required is Discretionary funds, For instance you have a stable income and at the end of the week or month after paying your expenses and bills and you don’t have a discretionary income left so how do intend to start an investment. Definitely there are people who are investing in Bitcoin and don’t have a stable source of income but they still invest and accumulate with the little income they have which might not even be stable, but they still stay consistent in there accumulation.  

How vague is it, newbies aren't experienced, that's what make them easy to manipulate, and this manipulation is done by others who just want people to fail, while this is not the reason all of the time it is the reason why it happens most of it, and that's why a person who wants to go into bitcoin investment needs good guidance to not mistake trading for investment

There are basically two types of investors in the market. One is the type you mentioned, investors who want to make more profits in a short time (who we can call gamblers)

Those who invest in various cryptocurrencies in the hope of high profits most of the time lose their capital [since cryptocurrencies are more volatile]

On the other hand, there are some investors who want to invest for a long time without looking at the near future. From here, those who are patient and can withstand the pressure of the market's downward trend are the ones who succeed. They do not express disappointment that they do not have much money saved and do not lag behind in investment. They enrich their portfolio by constantly purchasing Bitcoin through the DAC method as much as possible from their earnings.

The above comment is very vague. No one has experience before investing. After investing, experience is gradually gained. In the first case, if you have basic knowledge about Bitcoin, faith in Bitcoin and a stable income, you can invest. Over time, you will gain experience. In the first case, you can find a person who is capable of holding high and long-term investments. If you want, you can take advice from such a person in the first case. For example,

* You can get some ideas about how to control your emotions.

* In which method of investing will be good for you.

* You can take advice from him about how to keep yourself calm during a downturn.

Etc. But it is not possible to leave it completely to him, you have to do research with him to see if he is giving you the right advice or the wrong advice. Because if he gives you the wrong advice, your investment may be lost, so you always have to be aware

Believe it or not, a lot of people are still making these mistakes today, there will always be newbies, people with no experience in bitcoin investment but who want to go into it and sometimes their problems come from the people who advise them, they get feed false enticing news which leads them to make poor investments (trading) choices ultimately leading to regret and loss on the part, financially.
If newbie investors can have access to credible information on how the bitcoin market works then they can invest the right way with the mindset that they are venturing into a long term investment that can run for decades on end and they need to stay away from failed bitcoin traders who want to drag other down with them, because let's face it, most of the people busy giving out these false advices didn't make anything out of their bitcoin trading, yet you see them advising others to still trade, you can keep doing thr same thing and expecting a different outcome.