Quote from: Flexie80 on Today at 05:42:05 PM

Quote from: holydarkness on Today at 09:54:41 AM

Quote from: Flexie80 on June 25, 2025, 10:04:27 PM

@holydarkness this is not about a proof that a warning was sent from Betby to XYes, this is about proof that there was arbitrage betting. For that you would need to have 2 bet slips, both with comparable stakes on the opposite outcomes of the same event. This is not do-able on the same bookmaker (because they have a bookie margin that makes it impossible to arb within the same book) so the 2nd betting slip would have to be from another book (for example Pinnacle) and it would be impossible for you nor XYes to have obtained this.

The problem here is, that's the exact same side of the coin. It's the cause and effect instead of two separate matters. Speaking in general, the provider sent their flag to casinos about arbing or other violation the providers detect, and the casinos act accordingly to this flag. The casino does not need two bet slips to compare stakes of the opposite outcome of the same events, the provider did this.

All bets were submitted to the providers. They have all the bet slips and the history. And as established, arbing has telltale. Overtime, these telltale became more and more prominent that the provider will notice. Also has been established, both casinos and provider has their own detection algorithms. Sooner or later, the provider will catch up, and after that, it's only matter of time for them to catch the arbing by matching the history of repeated strange numbers across casinos, then a flag raised.

Not to mention that it is not too far fetched to think that it is possible that those providers communicate with each others in terms of crosschecking violators. Everyone hates violators. And enemy of my enemy is my friend, so, is it impossible to think Betby say, "hi Pinnacle, I'm sending you user with this details, can you share me his betslips from date x to y? I'll return with the result."?

And once that flag raised, it follows you everywhere. You can buy time by using different device or email or wallet, but their detection is [as I've witnessed myself] very complex, they'll catch up with you, eventually.

Quote from: God Of Thunder on Today at 05:32:38 AM

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I thought, since holydarkness has been doing this for a long time, the company should be able to show the proof to him, and he should be able to do it for the player. I initially mentioned LoyceV and holydarkness since they are reputed forum members. But you already accused holydarkness of being a liar. I would be happy to invite nutildah since he has been watching the thread for a while. I would talk to Xyes and send the documents to them to verify. But there is no guarantee you would stop spreading FUD Rating Place. You might say LoyceV or even nutildah lies. So, what is the solution actually? Pay the extortionists?

No need for that. I've come to the precipice of coming to the end of this case. Introducing another prominent member will only force them to face the unnecessary character assasination and mud slinging that you just witnessed for the past two pages of a supposedly headache-free* case. My name is already full of mud from the haters who can't accept a verdict of a case. I can take more.

Not to mention that XYes will have to start from the beginning again. Which... rather likely will then ends up just like what happened here with me. Then we look for another DT, and the circe restarted. As I'm nearing the end of it, might as well endure another mud-slinging and put my thick skin and focus on the player and case at hand and ignore unnecessary noises from statement-chameleon.

*as long as you take favor of the player

Quote from: darwstall on Today at 07:09:59 AM

I've been waiting here for more than 3 weeks for proof of my arbitration, will I wait for them or will I listen to strange accusations for the amounts of bets that I placed on sports. Everyone has had enough that xyes casino is simply deceiving everyone, they deceived everyone with their fake license, their fake casino without kyc verification, their fake 800 thousand players. And people with avatar casino are still trying to prove us the opposite? You are already funny, bring your casino here and let them prove my arbitration, if they can't then these accusations are a lie like everything else.

OP, focus on me.

This is my latest proposal [#99] to see the end of this case. My attempt to deescalate matters. As what I always do. If I may repeat and make it easier:

1. They will void your supposed arb-winnning, amounted 208.03
2. They will honor your legitimate winning, amounted 733.47
3. If I recall correctly, they've return your principal of 410
4. Thus, the amount payable to you is 323.47

Do you accept this?

If you do, I'll try to talk them into it. I can't guarantee they'll accept, but I'll try and give my best. Otherwise, find other who want to ~~mediate~~ "bridge".

Hahaha, you have absolutely no idea how sportsbetting works obviously. Pinnacle is an ARB-FRIENDLY bookmaker so they are never ever gonna share user details. They trust their lines enough that anyone is welcome to bet on it without ever getting limited or banned. So surely they are not gonna leak personal data of users to third parties.
Also, how on earth does Betby know if it was Pinnacle that was used as the 2nd book for the arb? It could just as easily have been an asian book, or an exchange, are they really gonna contact them all?
And next to that, most asians and exchanges (and Pinnacle too) are also accessible via betting brokers, where it's even impossible to trace down a bet to a name of the person placing this bet.

Absolutely bullshit what you are suggesting here.

It is very simple: Betby can spot value betting, not arbing.

My purpose is not to sling mud at you, my purpose is to teach you a bit of how sportsbetting works. Because from reading your posts I can see you don't know much yet. You probably dealt mostly with casino related cases. I am not saying you are a bad person but I'm saying you judgement is clouded by a lack of understanding of the sportsbetting business.
My last lesson then: Yes, Pinnacle may have been just an example. But with any arb there is a soft and a sharp bookie involved. Betby clearly is the soft side, so the sharp side can be several books: Pinnacle, Exchanges or Asians. They all have in common that they have so much confidence in their lines that they do not limit individually and thus are arb-friendly. There is no cheating involved by betting on those books so they will never give up user data. And even if there was cheating involved they would still not share user data with third parties, but that is just a side note.

You can throw away your idea of another book sharing a bet slip with a name to it. Absolutely impossible.
It is very simple: Betby noticed that all or most bets of the user were on value odds, hence they labelled him a value bettor with +EV bets. This is not forbidden according to XYes terms. And to still be able to confiscate the winnings XYes changed the wording from value to arb. And that is nasty.

Edit: accidentally quoted myself, but this obviously is a response to Holydarkness.