Quote from: Rating Place on Today at 09:12:56 PM

@flexie I'm glad that you are here. You know exactly what happened. There was absolutely no proof of arbitrage betting and it was lie after lie. It was value betting. What I didn't like is Holy changing the rules saying that value betting was illegal. God of Thunder gave one of them negative trust for value betting. It was a clown show but the player got paid so all is well.

The case should have taken 5 seconds.

I sent this to XYes at the beginning

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I’ve been watching your case of accusing two players of arbitrage betting. Looking at the bet slips, they aren’t arbitrage bettors. From my point of view, you should pay apologize, pay these players and move on. Best of luck in the future.

What I didn't like, is you keep pushing this agenda that I lie, I've politely ask you yesterday, twice, if I count correctly, to perhaps reconsider and retract, that ended up with lengthy discussion [which... surprisingly, this time didn't derail the matter as it's still relatively on topic]. I wrote a long draft following your last post here, that was a revision of an earlier draft, that I later decide not to post [both the earlier draft and the revised draft] as I always strive to deescalate.

But... with all of those "holy lies", "holy change rules", perhaps some things DO need to be addressed and escalated. Below is the draft that I didn't plan to post as I am nearing to deescalation and resolution of the matter. And that post above finally ticked my nerve.

So, here we go Peeps:

Edit: for the record, I do spend my time by lying in bed and do nothing

LMAO, so... Peeps, I deliberately ignore your posts because I want to save you from further humiliating yourself, because I took pity in your attempt to look relevant in this forum, as well as... I deal with fact and statements. Your empty words are waste of time that better allocated to handle this case and other case, or lying in my bed and do nothing. Like really, that's a very much better time spent than addressing you, that I conclude when you bailed on your own words of "I'll bet whatever you want to bet".

But, I look back at the threads and read and realize so many hilarios things that's borderline damaging, or... crazy, depends on the perspective.

Anyway, I think I've tolerate you enough in the past and the last drop of politeness I put in you has been rescinded. Answer and explain the points I marked in bold here, otherwise it'll clearly shows that you twisted my statements to drive certain narrative. And such characteristic... I don't think an owner of a rating page of casinos should have. It's very detrimental behavior. So unaddressed and unexplained, this post will become my reference for my tag.

First, here you are, providing advice about how to evade casino detection, that ultimately could dangerously encourage people to cheat casino ban and limitation. Tell me, because I'm really curious, suppose someone follow that and they're caught, what then? As an owner of a page about casinos rating, how they act fairly and not and their record, you instruct people to cheat the casinos? That's a bit hypocritical, I think. And when the players' got flagged despite the attempt to circumvent the detection, the casino should pay because it's their "first offense"? Or what? Should the players be paid because technically it's their "first"? And otherwise they'll... got a bad rating from you? Because the casino won't let the player get their money, all while the reason it gets confiscated is because the player circumvent limitation, as per your instruction on how-to.

And then here [of which become the reason I unleashed this wall of text from my draft, with edits and addition], you're accusing me that I quote a rule that's not from XYES? And it's from other book? And I added CLV on my own?

Quote from: Rating Place on Today at 10:38:27 AM

What I think is happening is that Holy is getting bad information from reps because he’s misinterpreting a lot. The rules he posted yesterday weren’t from XYes, they were from another book and he added the CLV on his own. I’ve never seen CLV listed at any book.

Some of what he said in the huge post above can be done but it’s not applicable here. It’s as if they searched the whole house for evidence, couldn’t find anything and had to plant something.

It’s the stuff he makes up on his own is what bothers me.

It literally said XYes on it. Want a bigger picture where the logo shown to show that it's indeed a page from XYes ToS? Here:

You can even check the exact wording from the ToS page yourself. I mean, it's still there. Want an archive? Here. And that's me make up things, posting rules that's not from XYes page? And adding CLV on my own? Prove where I add CLV to the rule. Because it's you that bring CLV on the first place. I simply explains [patiently] that the instruction given by Betby on darwstall's case was not CLV or value bet or whatever-else betting. Arbitrage bet.

I'm seriously asking here, like, really serious: are you currently healthy? Mind and body?

Further, for the past three... well, four, all you did was:

1. Confusing two details of cases and insist on it, only much later on realized the mistake after repetitively being explained
2. Falsifying narrative by making statements about rule, that I never made and calling me a liar for it
3. Demands proof that the provider flagged the player and informed the casino, insist it is not possible, if I may
4. And only when the stake is real, namely I call your bluff of knowledge and reputation [and perhaps questions the integrity of your rating, given how could someone give rating to casinos when they don't know the ins and outs of casino? That casino gets instruction from risk team from the provider], when you're finally asked to put money where your mouth are, and I'll show proof that the casino indeed was being informed about arbing by the provier, you shamelessly bailed, writing that you don't care about what I posted, right after I write the clause of the agreement, most likely realizing that you fucked up, while just previously, you said [and I quote]:

Quote from: Rating Place on June 25, 2025, 07:49:42 PM

I'll bet whatever you want to bet that they don't have proof of arbitrage betting. All you need are two bet slips. I'm not looking at anything that can be edited.

but then when I write you the clause of the written agreement we'll enter...

Quote from: Rating Place on June 25, 2025, 11:13:23 PM

@holydarkness I don’t care about all that stuff you just posted. My concern is for the two players. Post the bet slips. You already said that XYes says their license is outdated. I don’t need to see more fake documents.

Which one is it? You'll bet whatever I want to bet that I can't prove that XYes has proof or arbitrage betting [instructed by the provider] or you [suddenly] don't care about the stuffs?

Next,

Quote from: Rating Place on Today at 04:03:14 PM

I'm not attacking Holydarkness as if he's the devil. My problem is that he's making things up in the two cases. He's saying that the odds provider has proof of bets on both sides. They don't have proof. He added many rules that XBet never posted such as CLV. He said XYes had an outdated license when they never had a license.

I made things up in the two cases? Of which I strongly assume you refer to darwstall's and ziportan's? Point me to the post where I make things up on this case. No... cross that, let's make it simpler: quote us a post I made on ziportan's thread, of which I make things up. It'll be significantaly easier because the answer is none. I only posted once in that thread, explaining four points and inquiring if GoT is working for XYes. That's me making things up? Inquiring what I don't know is me making things up? Or was that you mixing things up again?

On second thought, I go back to my original question I crossed: do us a favor and point us to the things I made up both on this thread and ziportan's.

So to summarize, kindly clarify these:

1. You advised people to avoid casino detection. As an owner of a thread which rate casinos, what then? If players do your advise and avoid detection and got caught by whatever ToS violation? What do you expect us, as the forum, do?
2. Show us prove that I make up things and posting rules that's not from XYes page and adding CLV on my own.
3. You'll bet whatever I want to bet that I can or can not prove that XYes has proof or arbitrage betting or you don't care about the stuffs because things got too hot and too real and your tails suddenly tucked?
4. Point us to the things I made up both darwstall's and ziportans's thread.

Four questions. I am hoping you can explain to us all and supported with evidence of that alleged things that I made up. Otherwise I believe it is beyond reasonable doubt that those things can be considered as falsifying narrative and make-up statements.