Quote from: paxmao on Today at 08:15:39 AM

Quote from: BADecker on Today at 01:13:52 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 01, 2025, 11:34:49 PM

BA, don't be an idiot. A person is a person - legally it can also be a company, but since companies are not "born" the constitution says you get citizenship if you are born in the US. It does not matter if your parents were from Africa, Guatemala or whereever. You want to change that, change the constitution, do not squeeze through the backdoor.

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Government only operates by definitions of the words it uses. Government people may not know those definitions, and so may act illegally at times. It's when the definitions are brought up in court that things are straightened out.

I showed you (a silly Brit) some of the legal definition of 'person'. I'm not here to show you the whole definition of law. That's for the courts and the people to hash out.

But see how nice I am? I show it to you again. All you have to do is look at the law to see it. The people simply think that they are persons. When they act (out of ignorance) like they are persons, government doesn't have any choice but to agree with what they say about themselves.

Office of the Person - https://redress4dummies.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/office-of-person1.pdf

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EDIT: Just to show you how far off you are, one of the things NOT listed in the definition of 'person' in the law is 'person' itself. This shows that when a person is not listed as a person, the whole law doesn't have any meaning. We are free. Government is nothing. We aren't even persons. Government can't touch us. When they seem to, it's really us doing it to ourselves.

Again, do not be dumb. How many things that are called a "person" can be "born" in the US? As usual your ideas are completely missing the context. Companies, entities or anything else are not "born", so there is no doubt as what does this mean.

In fact, this ammendment was widely used for the descendants of the African slaves your country kidnapped during decades (centuries?) - so go tell their children now that they are not US citizens because they are not "persons". I hope you do that in a dark drinking hole in an all black community in Chicago to get a direct feedback on their views.

In law, everything depends on the legal definitions, and those who accpt and apply those definitions to themselves.

As far as the slaves go, their children are blessed to be in America.

Seems that you don't know about American law very much. A very interesting word is 'includes'. When 'includes' is used in the definitions of other words, it means that the definitions include only whatever is written. Nothing else is included.

In other words, when the law defies 'person' like this, "person includes," the only ways that 'person' is defined are the ways listed in the definition. That's all. Nothing else. Since the words 'man', 'woman', and 'person' are not defined as the thing that 'person' means, they are not included in the meaning of the word 'person' in law.

The significance of this is that the word 'person' doesn't even mean "person" in the law. This means that the whole law has no meaning. This means that when government attacks a man/woman based on some legal statute, that the application of the statute only applies to the man/woman if they agree to it. If they expressly do NOT agree to it as a man/woman, it doesn't apply to them. If the court will not adhere to the wishes of the man/woman regarding this, then the court is in the wrong, and the men/women judges and attorneys can be sued for damages.

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