Quote from: mikel_012 on July 09, 2025, 08:26:06 PM

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Quote from: l3pox on July 07, 2025, 05:23:29 PM

it's a weird subject to talk about because we usually don't know in detail about the laws of the spiritual world
in theory if you believe in spirit and energetic matters it would affect our lives fully, without exception
but how to know for sure?

at the end of the day I agree that when discussing gambling it's better to be more pragmatic and direct instead of imagining too many things.

Science already has very well defined studies about dopamine addiction, I don't think it's spiritual. The biggest proof is that many games are made in a way that it gives the dopamine hits on users to get them hooked. Like the slots games where there are many flash lights, sounds, winning effects. It's why people can get addicted, because we are still a meat machine with the same DNA of our ancerstors that needed some cues to survive and get rewarded for that

the thing is that if you don't believe in spirit or energy outside of the materialistic view than any spiritual argument won't matter at all
but if you do believe in it then you'll accept that everything is spiritual because how could it not be?

I think it's unproductive to try to grasp these things since they're outside of our scope

better to discuss addictions from a spiritual point of view instead of going specific to gambling

I actually believe somehow, but this doesn't mean dopamine isn't real. On gambling addiction this can be explained very well, it's direct science plain and simple.

For other things I think we can say the spiritual world has a say on our lifes.

Maybe can be both on this case and some people have less control on the dopamine hit while others have more control.

today I read this quote by Tertuliano: "I believe in the spiritual world - because it is absurd"

of course there is dopamine
but from a spiritual view of the world maybe this doesn't matter so much, you'll live the experiences you have to live during your stay on earth in this body

I think both can be correct views, it'll depend from what model you are observing the situation