Quote from: WillyAp on July 16, 2025, 11:19:38 PM

Quote from: BADecker on July 16, 2025, 10:29:52 PM

The march of the west was sneaky, CIA, election fraud starting before 2014, but finally succeeding in 2014 and following.

The Ukraine military was killing its own citizens and destroying their property, militarily, even before 2014... and sometimes dipping into Russia to do it.

That is not a reason for the war, resources are and also from Russia.

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Pundits skeptical of or even hostile to Ukraine’s cause in its defensive war against Russia have different reasons, or rationalizations, for their views and hail from different points on the political spectrum. But there is one belief that unites nearly all of them: the conviction that Ukraine is not a democracy fighting for its survival but an American “Deep State” project, with a regime installed by a 2014 coup that was led by Ukrainian far-right extremists and backed or even engineered by the U.S. State Department. The corollary of this view is the belief that the pro-Kremlin enclaves in Eastern Ukraine, the “people’s republics” of Donetsk and Luhansk—whose defense was the stated purpose of the Russian invasion—are genuine expressions of the will of the local populace which rejects the pro-Western, anti-Moscow regime in Kyiv.

This narrative is embraced by the progressive left (CodePink’s Medea Benjamin, the Nation’s Aaron Maté, etc.) and the populist right (the Claremont Institute’s David Reaboi, Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer, and many others) and gives both permission to disregard their ostensible values—anti-imperialism and liberation struggles for the left, commitment to national sovereignty for the right.

It has been echoed even by some people broadly sympathetic to the pro-freedom aspirations of the Maidan (Independence Square) protesters who rose against Kremlin-friendly president Viktor Yanukovych in late 2013 and early 2014.

taken from:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then

In other words, the reason for the war is Russia defending its people and itself from Ukrainian action since 2014 and before. Of course, Ukraine doesn't have the strength to do it alone. They knew this all along. You can see it in Zelensky continually trying to talk Western nations into fulfilling their pledges to send more money and military aid, and then stating that Ukraine is going to conquer Russia.

Russia's invasion of 2022 was not a war. It was a police action designed to stop the Ukrainian incursion. Ukraine simply turned it into a war by not giving up right away.

Since it's war that Ukraine wants, it's war that they are getting.

Russia rejects Trump's ultimatum for 50-day ceasefire, insists on continued negotiations

https://www.naturalnews.com/2025-07-17-russia-rejects-trump-ultimatum-50-day-ceasefire.html
Trump issued the ultimatum during a meeting with North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Secretary-General Mark Rutte on Monday, July 14, at the White House. He warned that if a peace deal isn't ironed out, Washington would impose "very severe tariffs" of up to 100 percent on nations doing business with Russia.

"We're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal in 50 days," Trump said during his meeting with Rutte. He framed the move as leverage to halt hostilities. But Russian officials declined the real estate mogul's threat. (Related: Trump warns of "very, very tough" SANCTIONS on both Russia and Ukraine if peace talks collapse.)

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov swiftly rejected the proposal, emphasizing Moscow's preference for negotiations. "Any attempts to make demands, especially ultimatums, are unacceptable to us," he told reporters as per CBS News.

"The diplomatic path is preferable for us. [But] if we cannot achieve our goals through diplomacy, then the [special military operation] will continue."

Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov acknowledged Trump's remarks as "quite serious," but deferred to Russian President Vladimir Putin for a definitive response. "We definitely need time to analyze what was said in Washington," he said.

Meanwhile, Dmitry Medvedev – deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council – dismissed the ultimatum as "theatrical" in a social media post. "Russia didn't care," he added.

Will Trump's ultimatum break the deadlock?
Russia's rebuke underscores deepening tensions between Washington and Moscow as the war enters its third year with no diplomatic resolution in sight. The stalemate ultimately reflects the broader deadlock in Ukraine negotiations.

Moscow demands international recognition of its annexation of Crimea and occupied eastern territories, a red line for Kyiv and its Western allies. Putin has repeatedly framed the invasion as a defensive measure against NATO expansion. However, both the U.S. and the European Union depict it as an unprovoked land grab.
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