Quote from: yixichloro2xx on Today at 09:02:06 AM

Quote from: Tungbulu on Today at 07:50:32 AM

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And you’re right about front loading which it’s often praised, but realistically, not everyone has the means to do so. For many, the strength lies in consistent effort over time, which is just as valid if not more so when paired with patience and strong conviction. Many people forget that steady progress often beats perfect execution. What truly counts is showing up, sticking to your plan, and making smart changes when needed. Over time, this mindset not only builds confidence but also sets a strong foundation for lasting success, regardless of how or where you begin.

I like to think about front-loading as a strategy that attempts to invest into bitcoin with a high level of priority early in the journey rather than later in the journey, and surely someone who is brand new to bitcoin might want to front load a bit into bitcoin and even someone who has already been buying bitcoin, yet is still really early to bitcoin, he also might want to front load into bitcoin.. because in the no coiner case, he does not have any bitcoin and in the newbie case, he hardly has any bitcoin to make much if any of a distance to prepare for up.

I understand that a lot of guys might not have much if any way to front load in terms of their current finances since they might not have much saved up and then they are ONLY relying on discretionary income, so maybe these kinds of folks would consider front loading as a means of investing as aggressively as they can without overdoing it.. an then at some point if they are starting to feel that they have a meaningful stake, then they will ramp down their bitcoin investing to less aggressive levels.

Maybe another kind of example of front loading might be a guy who had already built an investment portfolio that is around $100k (by investing $100 per week over 10 years, and perhaps his investment portfolio is worth right around 2x as much as the value that he put in over the 10 years). This guy may have had looked into bitcoin and he concluded that he wants to get his investment into bitcoin to be 15% (which is $15k) of his total portfolio, yet if he invests from his regular discretionary income at the $100 per week rate that he has been doing, perhaps the most that he could be able to invest into bitcoin would be $100 per week, which means it would take him right around 3 years to get $15k invested into bitcoin.. He might figure ways to frontload into bitcoin by taking from his regular investment portfolio and investing that into bitcoin.. and there may be ways that he can do it that are less traumatic such as investing $1k per week into bitcoin or maybe $5k every two months.. or some kind of a creative way to try to get his bitcoin investment up to his target level faster.

Once his bitcoin investment reaches 15%, then maybe at that time, he might continue to invest into his traditional investment along side with his bitcoin investment, or maybe at some point he might consider that it is better to put all new money into bitcoin rather than continuing to put into his traditional investment (which he may consider continuing to invest into his traditional investment as both inferior to bitcoin but overly dilutive on his desire to focus on bitcoin and to build his bitcoin). Another thing is that his transition does not need to be all or nothing since he may well consider some balance that he considers to be adequate to achieve a balance that he considers to be suitable to his changing preferences as they are changing and as he is learning more about bitcoin with the passage of time he may well be considering other ways to tweak his bitcoin approach, since maybe if his income is around $50k per year, he figures that it is going to take a while to build up his bitcoin investment and/or his traditional investment to a high enough level that they would support his ability to withdraw $50k per year or even his higher target of currently $80k that he feels that he would want to have if he were going to quit his job and start to live off of his bitcoin (and/or other investments).

Quote from: Futurexxx on Today at 11:49:19 AM

Quote from: Shadiq on Today at 11:28:23 AM

Because Bitcoin investment is very important for a person and if you can succeed in the investment, your quality of life may change. It is not advisable to deliberately take risky steps in such an important matter. We must have a positive attitude towards investment and have proper plans against even the slightest negative possibility.

What you said here are so true, nothing is guaranteed when investing in Bitcoin, their are risk attached to it, but that risk factor can be limited if being held for a longer duration, so that being said, investing an amount you can afford to lose and not going all in on your investment is actually the best way to invest in Bitcoin, so that if it doesn't goes as planned, you wouldn't have to contemplate on committing suicide.

Quote from: Shadiq on Today at 11:28:23 AM

Although there are two possibilities of success or failure in investing without an emergency fund, the possibility of failure is still high. So we should not ignore the emergency fund in any way. We should not even be sure about the future, whether it is positive or negative.

I don't think that their is a possibility in you being successful as a Bitcoin investor as an average income earner if you have no emergency funds that stands as the last layer of protection against any unforseen emergency that may arise in the future, but for the case of the rich guys, they might have such leverage to invest without an emergency funds because they have rich father, uncle, friend's that can bail them out of emergency situation that may have warrant them to temper with their holdings,

Also, even if the rich person does not have any rich relative to bail them out, they may have other investments and access to a variety of resources that they don't even think about the extent to which they might get in some short-term cashflow problem, since they may well have a variety of ways to resolve their cashflow shortage matter without having to sell any of their bitcoin.. they may even be able to go to some random bank and get a short-term emergency loan, and they qualify up front because they have 1) assets, 2) family with assets 3) perhaps various income streams 4) etc etc.. Poor people can get themselves into trouble when they try to do similar kinds of behaviors that rich people are doing.. They might consider to do what Saylor/MSTR is doing without even factoring in that Saylor/MSTR has all kinds of resources that is it is not even close to compare the various ways that he could get cash to not have to sell any of his bitcoin, even if he might have some short-term cashflow issues or even if the bitcoin market turns down for extended periods of time and dries up several of his prior sources of cash inflows.

Quote from: Futurexxx on Today at 11:49:19 AM

so if you are not rich, kills that idea of investing in Bitcoin without an emergency funds because emergency will surely comes in the future, and when it comes your Bitcoin investment is doomed if no emergency funds then.

Personally, I hate to discourage anyone with discretionary income from investing into bitcoin, since the main thing that they need is discretionary income to get started investing into bitcoin, so we know that the bitcoin investment and emergency fund can be built at the same time or some comparable rate, and there could be times in which one can be built faster than the other, so we don't necessarily want to discourage anyone from investing into bitcoin even if they might either come to bitcoin with bad financial management practices or they might have had exhausted their emergency funds and even perhaps irresponsibly employed debt to unnecessarily put their bitcoin investment at risk.

Let's say that there is someone who had already been investing into bitcoin for a year (using your forum registration date Futurexxx), and maybe they have an income of something like $30k per year, and they came to bitcoin without much of any emergency fund and they started investing into bitcoin fairly aggressively at $100 per month and then maybe they also used some leverage and got loans and engaged in various irresponsible conduct so in the past year they had invested about $10k into bitcoin, yet they have hardly any emergency funds beyond a few hundred dollars, and they have around $5k in debt. If they had been going overly aggressive in bitcoin, they may well be in a good position right now because the bitcoin price is up.. . but they still need to assess their options.

Upon review, they see that their $100 per week for the past year had caused them to have right around $5,300 invested and had gotten them right around 0.07253 bitcoin.

They also look at their $5k loan, and they see that they used their loan to buy bitcoin at around $60k, so they were able to get right around 0.08333333 BTC

So right now their total invested into bitcoin is $10,300 and their total BTC is 0.15563333. Currently, 0.15563333 BTC has a spot value of $18,463 and a 200-WMA value of $7,837. They are in a real good place, but they don't have any cash (or emergency funds), and maybe their loan is coming due or maybe their loan payments have been cutting into their cashflow and their abilities to build up an emergency fund over the past year.

They are now faced with a situation that they should be trying to get their situation in a more balanced place in order to fix their cashflow problem and their lack of any back up funds... and not to put their bitcoin holdings into jeopardy by keeping their situation as it currently is.

Let's say that they took the $5k loan out in September 2024, and it had a $100 origination fee, and it was for 6% per year, with monthly payments spread out over 36 months to pay off the whole thing. So over the past year starting in October they had been paying $147 per month to service the loan, and the loan is good until the last payment will be made in September 2027.

This person is still in a good place, yet with a combination of their $100 per month invested into bitcoin and their $147 per month paying their loan, they are investing $12,844 into bitcoin (counting the loan payments) over a year, which is right around 43% of their annual income, which might not be a good position for them, since they don't have an emergency fund.

One possible solution would be for them to cut back on their buying of bitcoin and to put that money into their emergency fund, they could even put part into their emergency fund such as 50/50 or some other arrangement where they keep buying bitcoin. They could even sell $1k or $2k of their BTC and put that into their emergency fund. It is difficult to know the answers sometimes, since many of us would not have had put ourself into such a situation, yet since the bitcoin price has performed so well, it is possible that the bitcoin has bailed us out.

Let's say that currently, the loan balance is right around $3,850, and so it could be possible to just cash out around half of the loan balance so maybe that amount could be used to make payments on the loan for the next 24 months in the event that some cashflow situations come up.. and if the guy might want to keep buying bitcoin. There is no one exact right answer, even though the guy has options based on what the BTC price did in the past 12-ish months, and it seems that converting some of their BTC into cash would be the most prudent approach. which could be anywhere between $1k and $4k.. with my own leanings of somewhere int the middle of that.. perhaps somewhere around $2,500 to bring some level of balance and less stress on their finances and/or psychology.

I am hesitant about any plans that involve selling bitcoin when the guy was supposed to have a plan that was to be for 4-10 years investing, yet since the guy put himself in such a precarious position, the most prudent fix might be to sell off some of his bitcoin and to put his finances back in balance so that he can continue to invest into bitcoin for the next 4-10 years or more without necessarily putting himself in a position that he has no back up funds in case some kind of an emergency were to happen.. .meaning loss of income and/or increase in expenses.

If the BTC price had gone sour, this guy would have had been in a much worse situation, which might have also included having to sell his bitcoin at a time that would not have had been at his own choosing. .since he put himself in a position where he is not even able to build any emergency funds, even if he completely discontinues buying bitcoin that might not be a good idea, but it might be his only choice since in a scenario that the BTC price had gone down or stayed flat, he would have had no other funds except his bitcoin, so yeah, maybe it is unfair to show a scenario where the bitcoin price went up and likely saved him from his own overly risky behaviors.. and hopefully he learns some lessons from his overly leveraging mistakes.

Quote from: Nightwatchmare on Today at 12:42:15 PM

Quote from: Cipherpz on July 22, 2025, 04:04:19 AM

With the right financial plan, everyone can invest and become the owner of long-term wealth. Especially before investing in risky assets like Bitcoin, it is important to have mental preparation to face risks, time, analysis of financial conditions, and strategic knowledge of the market. Conscious planning and financial discipline should be taken very seriously before investing. However, although there is no guarantee of profit, patience and a long-term perspective will help to get real value.

Although you don't need any right financial plan to invest in bitcoin, if you deem it necessary to plan your finances before you can invest in bitcoin, it's your choice, and you are free to do what you want because you are responsible for your actions.

The reason that you don't need a plan is that you can plan as you go, and one of the most important things that will help you to understand what you are planning about is to get started, even if you only have $10. . and the extent to which you establish some weekly amount, you can adjust the position size to account for your level of knowledge, so if you don't know hardly anything, then you may well end up needing to start out pretty low as you hopefully spend some time looking further into bitcoin, investing, financial management and learning whatever you need to learn. The increases in knowledge help you to plan better and also to increase the level of your bitcoin investments, whether through weekly buys or otherwise.

Quote from: Nightwatchmare on Today at 12:42:15 PM

As someone who's entering bitcoin investment with a long-term mindset, you don't need to gain knowledge of the market before you can invest in bitcoin because you aren't in for short-term profit. You need a steady income that guarantees you discretionary income,

You do not need a steady income to get started investing in bitcoin. All you need is discretionary funds. Of course, if you want to keep investing in bitcoin there may be some need to get some kind of regular income and if you want to keep your bitcoin investment, you likely need some kind of income to cover your monthly expenses, but you don't need a steady income to get started investing in bitcoin.

Quote from: Nightwatchmare on Today at 12:42:15 PM

and you can start your bitcoin investment with the DCA strategy because, as a no coiner, you need to start accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy so that you will have the opportunity to accumulate bitcoin consistently and hold it for the long term, and during your investment journey, you can now learn about bitcoin to know the lapses in the financial sector that bitcoin plans to solve.

This correct that investing into bitcoin is 4-10 years or longer, otherwise with shorter periods then getting into bitcoin may well be trading rather than investing. It might not be possible to get someone to know the difference between investing and trading from the start, yet hopefully newbies will come to realize that bitcoin is better as an investment rather than as a trade - even though it may well could be possible to still profit from bitcoin as a trade, even though many folks who know bitcoin pretty well recommend trying to trade it...and to try to figure out ways to invest into it.. which gets us back to 4-10 years or longer for the investment timeline.