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Quote from: Muba20 on August 09, 2025, 07:03:42 PM

There are some investors who try to make profit by selling small targets. This is not bad,

The very idea of an investor selling for small profit is bad enough already and should not be encouraged in my opinion, when they do this, they switch from investing to trading and this is where all their mistakes start piling up for them, no investor's target should be short term, and making profits from small targets is short term investment and while it might seem promising at the time it's always the after effects that's detrimental as they sometimes sell more than the profit made and even sell the capital investment because while you might have made $1k profit during your sale, investing $1k after might afford you less bitcoin than what you sold which leaves you at a lose.

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Those who buy Bitcoin for a small profit should know more about the benefits of holding it for the long term.

those who buy bitcoin for small profits will definitely know less about the benefits of holding long term since they've probably never experienced it themselves, it's makes more sense for a long term investor to, short term investors invest in short term because they don't know about the benefits of investing long term, to them the short term profit is the best kind of profit to make, if they understood the benefits of investing long term then they would have invested long term so I disagree with them knowing more about the benefits of holding bitcoin for long term as that would mean long term investors know less about the benefits of holding which is very wrong.

Frequently in bitcoin's history, it might not be clear about the advantages of long term accumulation and consistent and persistent accumulation of bitcoin through buying only.

It could take 6-8 years or longer just to really start to see the results, and surely guys who go back and forth with their buying and selling (in a trading kind of way), they could end up having 80% to 90% success rate (usually it is not that high) with their various trades, but then they end up having 1-2 trades that end up both screwing them out of their previous profits but then putting them into a mindset and a trading framework in which they are waiting for the price to drop rather than either actively holding bitcoin and/or ongoingly buying bitcoin, and so many times in bitcoin history, it has done some kind of a stair-step up in its price and then never comes down so if a guy is low on coins or a no coiner at the time of the upward stair-step, then he ends up getting screwed out of not being in bitcoin at a time that was unambiguously profitable and at a time in which the price is never ever ever coming back down to the previous levels that the guy could have had been in and could have had profited from the upwards stair-step in bitcoin's price that then ended up happening.

It just does not seem reasonable or smart to be fucking around with one of the best, if not the best, assets known to man with trying to sell it and buy back cheaper when a guy could end up selling too much too soon and then not being in (or mostly in) when he should have had been mostly in.. and the stair-stepping up is not always obvious, even though the stair-stepping up is obvious when we look back at charts and we can see points in time that guys might have had really fucked themselves over by being either low coiners and/or no coiners during times that they should have had been holding, but instead they were trading and/or being jubilant in the small profits that they were getting relative to where they would have had been through a holding and/or ongoing accumulating strategy.

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Quote from: Muba20 on August 09, 2025, 07:03:42 PM

There are some investors who try to make profit by selling small targets. This is not bad

I think it is really bad and shameful for someone who calls himself an investor to sell his bitcoin holdings for a small target of short profit. As a matter of fact you don’t refer to such persons as an investor but rather they are referred to as traders because such mindset is a trading mindset which is not really encouraging and also misleading especially to the newbies as it will translate such mindset to them also. Selling for a short term gains isn’t a good investment strategy or mindset, you’ll be thinking you’re making gains but the end product is a total loss, if you sell now for the short term gain, and probably you want to accumulate later you might be buying bitcoin in a more higher price even more than the gain you think you made earlier and if that happens, you are already at a loss. I’m sure most people who sell when bitcoin hits $90k will be regretting now. The best is to accumulate persistently, consistently and hodl for the long term goal.

You're very correct about this Idea of taking profit from bitcoin and it's implications. The most difficult part of this who matter is that those people involved in bitcoin trading can never believe they're wrong and they always argue that they understand bitcoin very well and can tell when price will rise and speculate it's fall too. Bitcoin volatility has no rhythm nor pattern and happens anytime in any dimensions. There's no total gain in collecting the supposed profit since your next investment may collect even more money than you have made.

If you gain today and loose the next two days, it's all a loss.

Many times traders under appreciate and/or fail/refuse to sufficiently calculate and account for the exponential s-curve adoption of bitcoin and that we are in the fairly early stages of such exponential s-curve, which means that they are frequently treating bitcoin as a mature asset rather than an immature asset, which contributes to their overly weighting that every up requires some kind of an equal (or close to equal down), and so they end up underweighting the costs that come from selling too many bitcoin too soon and that the price may well never come back down to their anticipated levels,

so it ends up costing them way too much by employing selling (and/or trading) techniques in their management of their bitcoin holdings and/or their strategies that may well had been intended on accumulating bitcoin, yet their dumbasses wrongly conclude that selling bitcoin is a reasonable strategy to accumulating more bitcoin, which frequently does not end up working out in their favor.. because they lose their focus and they end up with fewer bitcoin than they otherwise would have had if they would have had stayed focused on accumulating through ongoing buying rather than fucking around and waiting and/or trying to trade...and yeah, maybe sometimes the ongoing accumulator is buying BTC at higher prices than what he would have had otherwise, but in the end he is staying focused and banking on his engaging in a practice that results in ongoing building of his bitcoin stack.. especially in early years of his investment which might be 4-6 years or more of ongoing, consistent, persistent, regular and perhaps even aggressive bitcoin accumulation through buying only.

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Quote from: Silikiem on August 09, 2025, 11:05:08 PM

Quote from: Muba20 on August 09, 2025, 07:03:42 PM

There are some investors who try to make profit by selling small targets. This is not bad

I think it is really bad and shameful for someone who calls himself an investor to sell his bitcoin holdings for a small target of short profit. As a matter of fact you don’t refer to such persons as an investor but rather they are referred to as traders because such mindset is a trading mindset which is not really encouraging and also misleading especially to the newbies as it will translate such mindset to them also. Selling for a short term gains isn’t a good investment strategy or mindset, you’ll be thinking you’re making gains but the end product is a total loss, if you sell now for the short term gain, and probably you want to accumulate later you might be buying bitcoin in a more higher price even more than the gain you think you made earlier and if that happens, you are already at a loss. I’m sure most people who sell when bitcoin hits $90k will be regretting now. The best is to accumulate persistently, consistently and hodl for the long term goal.

Yes, and short term gains is just like gambling per se, and it looks like you are just gambling the hell out of it. Just look at this scenario,

2017: Sold at $10K? Missed $20K.
2020: Sold at $20K? Missed $69K.
2024: Selling at $90K? You’ll miss $250K+.

So in any case that 3rd scenario is hit in today's current bull run cycle, then short term investors are going to regret the potential profit. You just have to hold in the last 4 months or so and you will have that biggest ROI. And from what I've learn, the biggest regret here are always by SELLING, and not holding.

By now, we should 'believed' that Bitcoin should be hold long term, look at the bigger picture.
And for newbies, don't believed on the 'get rich quick scheme', those who believed it in? - they usually go broke.

Your three examples are ok in order to argue your point, yet there are even better examples of guys selling at various points in which the BTC price had gone up a lot in prior times so then they sold a lot if not everything with an expectation that the price was going to drop back down, but instead the price continued to go up and then the price never dropped back down below their sell price at sufficient levels to motivate them to buy back, and there are even examples where the price does drop back to or below their levels and the dumb (greedy) trading twats are too greedy to buy back because they want even lower prices, which do not end up happening.