Quote from: o48o on August 17, 2025, 06:23:23 PM

Quote from: Marykeller on August 17, 2025, 04:30:57 PM

For Putin to honor Trump's visit to Alaska, that means the deal will lead to a positive outcome. Putin and Trump wouldn't meet over nothing meaningful without a good outcome. We saw the way Trump invited Zelensky to the white house just to bash him to draw Putin's attention. I think that paid out for Trump to win Putin over because if it were Biden, Putin wouldn't honor his visitation, the war between Ukraine and Russia would be escalating. But with this meeting, we look forward to complete ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine

Are you kidding me? Have you paid any attention to this? I mean good outcome for whom? Trump openly sides with Putin and says that peace is up to Zelenskyy surrendering now. I mean you posted this today, so have you read the news about this today?

Or how would you like a deal where guy from another country makes a deal with your neighbor, that he can take over half of your house, and it's now up to you to honor this deal. Putin hasn't done anything to de-escalate the situation. Neither has Trump.

Yep. Either whatever was discussed with Putin has been previously discussed with EU / UK and Ukraine behind the scenes and discretly or the deal would need to be imposed by the US upon a number of countries - not just Ukraine, but all EU.

Trump is willing to play hard, but imposing a deal that is unacceptable to Ukraine and Europe would be considered nearly an adversarial move, rather than what you'd expect from trading partners and culturaly close liberal democracies. Trump is all about displaying force in public, but even he may understand that the US strenght is large but not unlimited.

One of the keys is how much of a real, physical and internationally commited security guarantee does Ukraine get. Anything like we pause the war but we can go again at any moment means that it is better then to keep the fight now that Ruzzia is in a worse position.