Quote from: Satofan44 on Today at 07:54:24 PM

You earlier mentioned subjectivity as an argument, which I strongly reject. The problem with subjectivity is that they can and already are using it to conceal their organized farming. One example: Make nice artwork thread similar to the Pizza Day contest in a local section as a merit source, and you can give a lot of merit to all the people in the farming group at the same time without it looking too suspicious. Subjectivity has its place, but the intent is what matters. If merits are easily earned in a local section for low effort contributions, after which the user proceeds to shitpost in other sections for campaign money, the intent is clear from the start. Of course this is extremely hard to prove compared to direct alt abuses, but you can spot some patterns because of the low quality of posts.

Like I said previously, a system that rewards quality contributions must over time naturally increase the average quality of the contributions assuming that it works. According to mindrust there was a period in which this was the case, and this empirically supports this argument. It seems that the system needs new tweaking to function again. I always through that a demerit function within such systems would be nice, but it requires more oversight as it can leads to gang behavior and significant abuse.

Maybe it's the size of my local tab; I don't know what the others are like. But frankly, this kind of pattern is easier to spot in a local tab than in global tabs. If this type of behavior exists in some local tabs, it is almost certainly detected by the main and biggest users of those tabs.

One of two things. Either all the experienced users of these tabs are participating in this conspiracy. Or all the merit sources in these tabs don't know what they're doing and are completely clueless about how the forum works and what merits are for.

In turn, the problem ends up being in the local tabs and not in global topics like WO.

Furthermore, if campaign managers allow low-quality users into their campaigns, they are seriously undermining their work! It's not enough to say that they only accept posts with more than x characters, they should blast those who frequently make short posts.

In the end, what I see is not a problem with the merits, but rather with the benefits that some users with low-quality posts have in campaigns here on the forum. Perhaps what we should be discussing is how managers analyze their user choices and retain those users in campaigns.