Quote from: Pjcr7 on August 27, 2025, 11:24:12 PM

If truly Israel is trying to or they are targeting Hamas as claimed why are they not only taking out the Hamas alone instead of innocent Palestine civilians. Lemme bring you back to what happened between Israel and Iran before the 12 days war. Israelis successful killed some Iran's top military commanders with precision strikes with missiles all the way from Israel to Iran without without much casualties, which simply means that they knew the exact people they were targeting. Now coming back to Gaza, it's different, they are burning the entire nation to the ground claiming that they are fighting Hamas.

follow the numbers atleast
if isreal wanted to do a starvation genocide.. knowing starvation can happen within weeks of lack of food. then 2m pop would be dead 2 years ago..
isreal would not have sent in any food..
.. but instead isreal is trying to feed gaza. the population is still above 2m
isreal just dont want to feed/supply hamas

if isreal was random firing innocent palestinians as a military genocide, isreal would not have sent in the warnings first to ask palestinians to move to safety..

knowing hundreds of thousands of homes, schools, hospitals were flattened. the death toll would have been over a million..
.. but why is the death toll not a million...

what you have to learn is that hamas occupied civilian infrastructure and laid boobytraps and underground tunnels which lead to the houses being flattened by both sides, but only after isreal sent warnings to the innocent palestinians to leave the area as now the area is set as being hamas strongholds.

with so much IED risk and tunnel hidy-holes to play whack a mole. manually searching every building and ensuring they are made safe would be a big task taking many risks and many years. the only option is really to just destroy the empty buildings.. clear the land and then at wars-end compensate and rebuild the land for the palestinians.. and yes isreal dont want to govern gaza, they want a peaceful civilian political party to control and govern gaza after the removal of hamas.

if hamas was never in gaza and never laid the traps and tunnels, gaza wouldnt have been in this mess

if hamas didnt hide in civilian infrustructure but created bases at the borders and battled at the borders.. like most wars do, the chaos within towns and cities would have been minimalism. if hamas didnt surround themselves with affiliates and family and coerced people. the collateral damage and causality numbers would have been less.
learn the tricks and tactics of hamas under the term "lawfare"
- tricks like government(hamas) seizure of civilian property
   - hiding in hospitals, schools, churches which are designated normally as protected from war
   - hiding weapons and tunnel entrances in civilian homes, including childrens bedrooms
- using aid insignias
   - transferring weapons and ammo in aid supplies boxes/bags
   - wearing aid uniform as disguises to avoid getting hit

those that remained in the known hamas strongholds of civilian infrastructure became collateral damage, but were in most cases were people affiliated, related or coerced to stay with hamas to be used as human shields/martyrs to the hamas cause. so when you look at the number of hamas troops+collateral damage of affiliated people. and the count is ~60k. you will see most of it is hamas troops(~40k), their families, affiliates and those coerced/bribed/blackmailed into staying
.. much the same as the iran 12 day war where most non nuke scientist/tehran leaders casualties/collateral damage were the families of said nuke scientists and tehran leaders

even look at the incident at the nassar hospital in recent days.
if there were truly "millions starving to death" and thousands of innocents injured. the hospital would be full of patients for multiple reasons(nutrition and injuries).. but nope the hospital was virtually empty. instead it was used as a lawfare protection for hamas and its affiliates, where they used it as a surveillance military operation base to monitor IDF movements.. using guess what.. the "journalists" camera's to send intel to hamas troops.

the UN and hamas health minstry both admit that death statistics are co-mingling both palestinians and hamas troops
even the 'child starvation' numbers of hamas health ministry stats admit their number of <100 is co-mingled of children with comorbidities that made taking normal sustenance difficult. meaning most of the <100 were not actually starvation due to zero food access for months. but difficulty ingesting/digesting nutrients due to other illnesses

so with 1m youngsters in gaza and only <100 classed as died due to lack of nutrition, its not really a starvation plot
isreal sent in enough food to last 2m population until 2026. so if anyone is left hungry, ask yourself where the food went once inside gaza

if hamas did not exist in gaza, then normal customs transfers of lots more things like retail, industry and plenty more variety of food would freely flow into gaza. but because there is a war going on and hamas stealing(oops 'legally retrieving' according to UN) supplies. the amount that innocent palestinians get is very limited