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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 28, 2025, 07:46:00 AM

My dear fellow PLEBS,
If you didn't buy the DIP yet, it's your opportunity to buy NOW before Bitcoin surges back to $120,000 NEXT WEEK. If you're a DCA investor, DOUBLE your bids and adjust them accordingly when Bitcoin is above $120,000 again.

Our objective is to stack more units of Bitcoin as much as possible during the DIP, and HODL.

Currently, the price of BTC is declining, and I think your advice is absolutely correct. This is an opportunity to buy BTC, as it's still at a low price. However, it would be a shame not to buy BTC at the current price, as it's already considered cheap, and there's potential for the price to rise to $120,000 or even more in the next few weeks.

Um... unfortunately, I haven't increased my purchases in the DCA because my discretionary income hasn't increased, but I think I'll try to increase my funds for now. It would be a shame to miss this great opportunity. Your advice is excellent, and it certainly makes me more enthusiastic about buying and accumulating BTC.

There is nothing to be shameful about not meeting buying from this current dip if you don't have your discretionary income ready, we prioritize convenient and comfortable by investing without struggling either with your investment or in running your basic expenses, Bitcoin investment is not a competitive ground where any one have to feel shame for anyone reason because you are not able to buy Bitcoin at a certain point due to not having the financial eligibility. No one should be ashamed if they can't buy now that is my point.

These are good points in which each of us need to try to remain somewhat controlled in our getting excited about dips that are happening, and surely if we had already been in the practice of buying bitcoin regularly, then we may not have very much extra money to dedicate for buying more aggressively on the dip that is currently happening.

Sure some guys might get paid every week or every two weeks or even some guys do not get paid except once a month, so there can be differing dynamics in regards to how much extra money they might hold merely to make sure that all of their expenses are covered, but they also might keep a certain quantity of money that just stays in their accounts (or their various fund pools) that is just meant to cover extra expenses that might take place between pay periods.

And, yeah part of the deal is that we can build up various kinds of back up funds that can start to add up to quite a bit of cash, yet if we might be in our first year or two of buying bitcoin, we might not even have had gotten our back up funds up to a decent size such as 3-4 months, so we may well not have a lot of extra money upon which to draw in order to buy more aggressively on the current dip.

Now it could be the case that a guy had been buying $100 per week of bitcoin every week and putting $40 per week into his back up funds and maybe he had also been stacking away an extra $20 every week for buying dips.. but he did not want to use the extra $20 per week unless the dip was at least 10% or more, so then maybe if he had not felt that he had witnessed any dip that met his qualifications of 10% or more since late June (when the price had dipped down to $98k, so ever since the end of June or maybe early July, he started to build up his buying on dip money, so then now he had built up about 9 weeks of buying on dip money that currently adds up to $180 extra that he has for buying on dips. He can structure that buying on dip money to spend 1/2 of it or 1/3 of it or maybe even all of it.. so he has choices, yet there are no reasons to get excited about it, since he might set some criteria for his buying on the dip that he believes is reasonable and will make him feel better, yet it still is not like he had been saving up all of his money for such dip, since he had no clue that a dip of 10% or more would end up happening, so he felt better just buying $100 every week and setting $20 per week on the side.

I know that some newbies are likely getting excited about buying the dip because they had likely been holding back way too much of their budget for buying the dip, and perhaps they are holding back more than 50% of their budget for buying the dip rather than some amount that is more reasonable... and surely these are individual choices in regards to how to treat these kinds of matters, which is also part of the reason that many of us suggest to not really be fucking around with trying to figure out dips for the first several years of accumulating bitcoin, and sure at some point it might start to make more sense, yet frequently newbies end up trading off into too much whimpiness and too much concern about the BTC price rather than just figuring out their budget and then just buying regularly, and sure there might be some weeks in which they catch dips or maybe they can try to manually buy each week to catch dips, but there tends to not be much of any justification to be holding back decently large quantities of money to try to buy dips that may or may not end up happening.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 28, 2025, 07:46:00 AM

My dear fellow PLEBS,
If you didn't buy the DIP yet, it's your opportunity to buy NOW before Bitcoin surges back to $120,000 NEXT WEEK. If you're a DCA investor, DOUBLE your bids and adjust them accordingly when Bitcoin is above $120,000 again.

Our objective is to stack more units of Bitcoin as much as possible during the DIP, and HODL.

Buying the dip is very good, but making it look like it is compulsory to buy the dip is problematic and it could lead newbies who don't have good discretionary income to buy the dip right now to use the money meant for their expenses to buy the dip, and when their expenses will arise, they will have no available money to use and solve their expenses, and they will have no option than to use their emergency funds or Bitcoin to solve their expenses. It is better for investor on this thread to stick to their existing plan of accumulating Bitcoin so that they won't be under pressure and make a decision that will make them to sell their Bitcoin too quick. Our objective isn't to stack more units of Bitcoin as much as possible during the dip, and hodl. Our objective is to accumulate Bitcoin consistently when our discretionary income is available, and if along our accumulate process we win a lottery or receive a bonus payment, and dip happens we can decide to buy the dip to frontload our Bitcoin investment.

These are good points too.. so if we have a decently good process in place, and then we happen to receive a bonus right when a dip seems to be happening, then we can consider the extent to which we might buy right away with such funds or if we defer over time with DCA and/or defer with attempting to buy more dip than what is already present.

Surely if we are buying $100 per week every week and if our bonus is merely a few hundred dollars, then it might not make any BIG difference, yet if we end up receiving a $2k bonus or more, then we might consider that amount to be a BIGGER deal since we might not frequently come across situations in which we have that much extra cash and those kinds of choices, and yeah, if we have a $2k bonus, we might first try to figure out if dedicating all of the $2k to buying bitcoin is what we would like to do, or maybe we might consider if we want to spend some of it on consumption or maybe we would like to shore up our back up funds with part of the $2k, so then after we might decide how much to spend in each category, then whatever is left could be figured out in terms of the three categories of 1) buy right away 2) defer by time DCA and/or 3) defer by buying on dip (more dip than had already happened at the time that we have the money in our bank and are able to spend it).

The answers are not obvious because we have choices about what to do, yet a person who is fairly early in his bitcoin investment journey might be inclined towards wanting to build up his bitcoin investment sooner rather than later, yet a person who is early in his bitcoin investment journey might also be uncomfortable in his level of confidence in bitcoin as compared with other places that he could put his money. So any person could have some dilemmas regarding how aggressive he wants to be with his bitcoin investment, and surely many of us who have been in bitcoin for a while can understand that it can sometimes take time for folks to become more confident and/or focused on prioritizing bitcoin investing over other places where they could put the money, whether it is their regular income or if they might get bonus money coming into their accounts from time to time.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 28, 2025, 08:13:44 PM

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Sometimes we can employ techniques and strategies that we believe to be moderate and reasonable based on some new circumstances, such as receiving a $1,500 bonus. Yet at the same time, we might want to be careful to NOT over think the matter, since it may well be better to just DCA, yet every once in a while some adjustments can be made and we can recognize the trade-offs that we are making when we deviate from DCA and we might supplement with lump sum buying and/or buying on the dip, and maybe we might consider that since we are already doing $100 in DCA every week, then maybe it doesn't make any sense to add more to our DCA, but instead we think that with our extra money will ONLY focus on the two other strategies - even though there are risks.. so for example, if we put $1,200 into buying right away, then the BTC price goes down, then we might feel bad that we could have had gotten more if we had waited, and if we dedicate $1,200 towards buying the dip, but then the BTC price does not dip enough to fill any of our orders, then we might feel that we did not treat the situation in a way that would help us to attempt to be mostly emotionally neutral about whatever way that the BTC price might go.

Indeed even if an investor wants to explore the other different methods of accumulating Bitcoin, DCA should still reemain the backbone of their investment plan. The reason for this is that DCA gives an investor a sense of consistency, it removes emotional decisions such as panic selling, and then keeps your portfolio growing regardless of short-term price movement.

On the other hand, one who relies heavily on the lump sum strategy may end up asking questions when the market takes a downturn. Questions like, “Did I move invest too fast? Should I have waited?” And it is such question that pushes people into selling out of panic and regret......And again one who depends solely on Buying the Dip may also begin thinking and questioning themselves that they would have gotten more if they waited a little bit longer and in the case of new investors, they may end up never investing in Bitcoin coz they are trying to catch the perfect entry point.

Even though you are distinguishing between lump sum and buying the dip, you are still seeming to convolute the ideas in which you are seeming to want to suggest that lump sum has a waiting element to it, and it does not need to have a waiting element.

Even though DCA can either be employed with time deferral or it can be employed to buy right away as the income comes in, the idea and/or practice of lump sum does not necessarily involve deferral, unless a person purposefully chooses to defer the lump sum by time (which would be DCA) or by price which would be buying the dip.

Whenever we choose to employ waiting techniques then we are running the risk that the BTC price might go up while we are deferring our buy, and the same is true once we exercise our buy, the bitcoin price could go down after we had bought, so then we might consider that we would have had been better to have had waited rather than to buy.

Generally the BTC price goes up over a long period of time, so there tends to be an overall tendency to have had been better off to buy sooner rather than waiting, yet bitcoin can also have extended periods in which it is going down, so in those cases it would be better to wait and to buy at a lower price.

If we are new to bitcoin, then presumptively we either have no bitcoin or we have very little bitcoin, which tends to justify buying right away rather than waiting. .. and sure we might end up being in a status of being better off to just ongoingly buy as soon as the money comes in for several years rather than trying to figure out the extent to which the bitcoin price might drop further. Many of us would prefer to buy cheaper, yet even if the BTC price is going down, we cannot presume that it will continue to go down, so we may well not be advantaged by employing a waiting strategy rather than just buying bitcoin ongoingly whatever the BTC price might be.

Lump sum buying does not necessarily include any waiting, since we might lump sum buy as soon as we receive our bonus, or maybe at some point, we decide that we are going to reallocate some of our money from our non-bitcoin holdings (and to sell some of our other investments) in order to buy bitcoin, so in the process of selling some of our other investments, there might be a period of time that we are waiting for the funds to reach our account so that we can buy bitcoin with those funds, so once the funds arrive, if we buy right away we are not waiting, and sure once the funds arrive we might decide to buy right away with part of those funds but we also might decide to defer our bitcoin buys by allocating some of the funds to DCA and we might choose to allocate other parts of the funds to buying on the dip.

These are choices that have tradeoffs, and lump sum funds (and lump sum buying) may well not have any waiting component that involves the dip... and there may be some folks who get into bitcoin (let's say 8 years ago, like in mid-to-late 2017), and maybe such a person starts out investing into bitcoin at about $100 per week, and after about 6 months of buying bitcoin, the person might start to think that maybe they need to supplement their strategy, and so surely this person might receive a bonus of $500 to $1,500) once or twice a year, so he considers that he will deal with the bonus pay whenever it arrives, yet he realizes that before he got into bitcoin, he had spent about 10 years building up an investment portfolio, and he put about $35k into such investment fund, and that fund was now worth about $60k, so maybe he spends some time trying to figure out how much of that non-bitcoin fund that he would like to move over to bitcoin, and if he only moves over about 10%, then that would be $6k, yet he realizes that he could be more aggressive and he could move over 25%, which would be $15k... So these might not be easy decisions in terms of when he is thinking about what to do or how to think about what he should do, yet he realizes that if he goes with the aggressive route of 25% ($15k), then that would end up being right around the same amount of 3 years worth of his DCA, at the rate that he is currently investing, and so these kinds of problems are not easy to resolve, yet it is a good problem to have, since there are some people who do not have that same kind of a problem that involves having options, yet anyone who spends 5-10 years or more investing (whether in bitcoin or in non-bitcoin assets), he may well end up building up a decently sized investment portfolio and then be faced with more options in regards to whether to just leave that investment be or sometimes to have options to sell some portions (or even all) of that other investment.

In other words, even though we frequently describe DCA as one the best ways to invest, it may not always be the best - especially for someone who might have some lump sum options, there can frequently be advantages of investing that money quickly rather than deferring it. and the answer is not always obvious about how to make such division and to weight the advantages and disadvantages of each of the ways of buying into bitcoin. By the way, some folks purposefully choose not to sell their other assets, yet a person who has already invested $60k into some other assets, might be in a rush to get their bitcoin investment up to 25% the size of their other investments, so they might be aiming to get their bitcoin investment up to $15k in a short time, yet if they ONLY make around $30k per year, they might have difficulties achieving that (without cashing out of some of their already existing investments), even if they might be prioritizing getting their bitcoin to $15k.. yet at the same time, they are still in a more powerful position if they already have those other investments as compared with someone who got into bitcoin from scratch and they have no other investments..

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I'm honestly not really sure if Bitcoin will surge back to $120,000 next week, BUT what I'm actually VERY sure about is PLEBS like is WILL purchase MORE units in Bitcoin during a DIP because DIPs are equal to discounts.

PLUS the other thing that I'm also VERY sure about is Bitcoin WILL surge back to $120,000, probably not as soon as next week, but SOONER or LATER.

WHY? Because sooner or later the Federal Reserve WILL pivot to real Q.E. and turn on the money-printer. BRRRRRRRRRRR.

I agree too, Bitcoin will not hit the $120,000 mark again by next week. It's currently at $108,000 and will still dip to maybe $105,000 further. Whales are dominating the selling pressure across the market, while retail and mid-size players are only attempting to provide price support and seem to believe that they are banking on the dip that might eventually reverse the price to around $118,00.

BY experiences based on past volatility and price performance, speculations of what bitcoin price will be in the short time can be uncertain but considering what price to would catch in an unpredicted duration is certain. Bitcoin to recover to $120,000 or more in the JUST next week is possible but uncertain. However, the drifts about the price should be a burden for traders and short term Investors and while the plebs might be wary at the Dip, it Will be misleading to react of selling at the immediate time due to price falls but without being oriented on accumulating strategies, the Dip serves an opportunity to buy more ideally in a cheap rate of the Dip which best said to be a DISCOUNT market events for the plebs to shine on if only they are not wary with the current market events on the Dip.

You are giving part of the explanation why newer investors should not let dips or rips affect their ongoing buying of bitcoin, because they might get lured into the wrong thing.. thinking that they could sell and buy back cheaper, which is another reason that guys might have to spend 4 years or more just buying bitcoin regularly before they might start to get out of the habit of trying to figure out if the BTC price is going to go up, down or sideways in the short-to-medium term, and sure, there is nothing really wrong with newbies choosing to watch the BTC price as long as the price does not affect their ongoing buying of bitcoin.. and they are mostly figuring out their buys from their income versus their expenses and other cashflow management matters rather than allowing the BTC price to affect them.

There are no guarantees, even though historically guys have tended to do quite well who have spent 4-10 years or longer accumulating bitcoin, and surely after a cycle or two they might start to become less persistent and regular in their bitcoin buys.

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Quote from: justinlamode on August 28, 2025, 05:33:54 PM

You can be applying the DCA method will keeping small part of your discretionary income for aggressive accumulation should there be a dip. So while waiting for the dip, you are already buying and holding and will not miss out on the market no matter what happens.

I don’t think what you’re suggesting is a good practice, it’s wrong to wait or plan for the dip when you’re a newbie or still in mid level in your accumulation goal. The only people who can afford to plan for the dip are those who are close to their over accumulation stage and those who have achieved that. While you’re keeping money aside for the dip you’re actually missing out on the opportunity to add more bitcoin to your portfolio, if your weekly DCA is $80 and you’re keeping $20 aside for when dip will happen and $80 gets you 0.8 BTC weekly, imagine if the dip never happens and price goes to an ATH now you’ve missed out on having atleast 1BTC weekly for the past months of your investment.
The best practice is to CONSISTENTLY follow up your DCA with the discretionary money available to you even when dip comes you’ll still be able to accumulate more buying at a discount.

Maybe we should try to be more realistic with our examples if we are trying to describe bitcoin and dollars?

If we might have a weekly budget of around $100 to buy bitcoin, then maybe some weeks we are able to buy 75k satoshis and then other weeks we are able to buy close to 100k satoshis, yet since the BTC price is going up we notice that we are tending to get fewer satoshis, yet we still might want to save some of the money for buying dips.. so instead we choose to buy $80 worth of bitcoin and to save the other $20 to hope to be able to buy more satoshis if the price drops.. so maybe with the $80 per week we are ONLY getting between 65k satoshis and perhaps close to 80k satoshis.. but we consider that if the BTC price goes down then we might be able to get more satoshis at the lower price if we can catch the dip.. which may or may not end up working out to get us any more satoshis, and if we are newer to bitcoin, we might be better off to just buy weekly at whatever the BTC price might be until maybe we have spent a few years buying bitcoin and then at that point we might consider if we might need to reconsider any aspects of our strategy as our situation would have had changed at least in regards to our having more satoshis by that time and also maybe we can see the extent to which the price might have had changed or maybe the amount of our discretionary income might have had changed.