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Quote from: franky1 on Today at 12:16:07 AM

Quote from: BADecker on August 27, 2025, 06:54:16 PM

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

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elwar was not interested in crypto. he was just interested in creating scams to get peoples fiat. by diving into libertarian projects. he never had any ownership of any sea-steads or land, he just borrowed other peoples projects and tried selling a philosophy, making out it was some libertarian thing

I don't follow what Chad Elwartowski and his wife Nadia Thepdet are doing. The last I heard is that they have one child.

Anybody really interested in seasteading can search on "Ocean Builders," the company that set up the seastead that Elwar and Nadia called home for a few days until the Thai navy came and destroyed it. Last I heard, Ocean Builders is selling Seasteads off the shores of Panama.

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 12:16:07 AM

as for PMA, well thats just cult creating. not the same as for instance creating navaho /amish nation in the middle of america.

A PMA is possibly the best way to test out what it would be like to set up a nation. It would be in the US, sanctioned by the US government. But it might not be able o actually make a real nation that was independent of the US. But we don't know that for sure, unless somebody has tried it and failed.

The thing that is good about it is that it ALMOST could be a nation. It would give the people involved a chance to actually test what a nation might be like.

Search on 'Private Membership Association (PMA)' to see that there are thousands of them in America, and more since ProAdvocate Group found the way to do it right.

Note that franky1 could do it in Britain, too, if he wanted to study how common law is set up over there.

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In that way we can just create a subreddit with some cult, same to others. Im not talking that it has to be an Island. Read about Verdis as example, they just found out that Croatia theritories are set by river, which changed and on this change they created a country. But actually Croatia can easily ban them, and Hungary too, but they have 400 citizens.

If we find such place on the water (with high chances to survive, because there are no free water in 200 miles) we can also try to build a country.
For example between Greece and Turkey there are many conflicts about their water, some places 12 miles from each country can be good. Or North Cyprus, its economical zone recognized only by Turkish, but when they will come for you, you wont be able to defend.