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Quote from: coupable on August 30, 2025, 06:11:03 PM

Quote from: abhiseshakana on August 30, 2025, 11:05:40 AM

Quote from: coupable on August 29, 2025, 09:11:46 PM

I agree with you that the goals of Russia invading Ukraine wasn't mainly for rare earth metals, but this reason became essential later in negotation file with USA and Europe. Russia first goal is to forbid NATO from setting power army in its frontieres after Ukraine showed its ambitions to join the military ally with NATO. Putin decided to invade Cremea before invading all other regions to create like a safe armyless land between the two countries. Usually there is no single reason to start a war.

The argument between Trump and Zelensky during his visit to America, as well as Trump's pressure on Zelensky to end the war, stemmed from Ukraine's inability to pay the war costs incurred by the United States. The rare earth mineral map Zelensky provided was based on Soviet-era mineral data and has not been verified by modern means. Most of Ukraine's rare earth reserves are based on Soviet-era geological surveys and have not been revalidated since Ukraine's independence. The majority of deposits, including those containing rare earths and lithium, are located in areas under Russian control. Zelensky offered Trump a winning plan, while the reality is that rare earth reserves are virtually non-existent. These reserves may not be economically viable due to high extraction costs and the need for advanced refining technology. Therefore, none of Ukraine's rare earth reserves are internationally recognized as economically viable.

Do you mean that Ukraine had no way to encourage USA but to offer its rare metals map in exchange for logistic and military support? I think you have a point here. All the facts valid what you just said. Those metals are not economically considered accessible so neither Trump or Putin looks really interested on them. While Zelensky has no other offer to give mainly to US because he already garanted the continious support from Europe for geostrategic reasons.

I think the US wouldn’t be helping Ukraine and also the European Union wouldn’t be helping them without knowing there is something they will stand to achieve in aftermath of the war, we know rare metals are quite enormous in Ukraine, I think they must have promised US access to this mineral resources that is why the US seems to be helping and supporting them, and Vladimir Putin knows this things that is why he is also fighting to have possession of this land, Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Putin they must have discussed the conditions of stopping this war, and Putin might also be asking for the lands where this reserves are, Trump would know this things and it would be a factor of stopping the war.

From the start, it was USA who pushed toward this war. The goal is to minimize powers of Russia. The solution is to sacrifice the whole region to fight in proxy for her. What to do? Invite Ukraine to join NATO which Russia wouldn't accept enemy armies on its frontieres. Behind the scenes, Europe found itself forced to support Ukraine to forbid Russia from expanding the invasion and to curb its expanding powers as well. The whole situation is strategic based till now. The rare metals appeard later when talking about solutions to stop the war after USA and europe got convainced that it's an expensive war that no one would benefit from except the east camp. What to do? Let's arrange with Russia and blackmail Ukraine.