Re: An Arrest/deportation Scenario

Quote from: aoluain on September 28, 2025, 09:01:45 AM

... ordinary residents in the US not just dangerous criminals ...

Anyway the point of the thread is NOT to debate whether the deportations are
justified or not, this thread is to discuss what happens when you are picked up.

Assuming you are picked up outside your home and deported you lose possession of
your belongings including your hardware wallet and seed (assuming you dont carry it
with you and assuming the officials havent confiscated it)

I cant figure out how I would survive if I had no contacts left in the country
they deported me to, with possibly no or limited money and no access to my
bank or to my Bitcoin.

The vast majority of us will never encounter such a scenario but...

Outside of asking a family member/friend to retrieve your HW wallet and/or seed
What do you do in such a scenario?

~~"ordinary residents" - you mean people who have broken the law~~It is important to ~~come to~~not hide the USobjective facts if you want accurate and objective answers. ~~Just as every other country has laws and border controls.~~

"~~no contacts left in the country they deported me to~~ordinary residents" - ~~are~~ you inmean people who have broken the law to come to the US ~~or other country illegally?~~. Just as every other country has laws and border controls.

"~~limited money and~~ no ~~access~~contacts left in the country they deported me to ~~my bank or to my Bitcoin~~" - ~~if you~~ are ~~somewhere illegally, it is probably best to return to~~you in the US or other country ~~you came from with your possessions and then find a way to go where you want to go legally.~~illegally?

"~~retrieve your HW wallet~~limited money and/ no access to my bank or ~~seed~~to my Bitcoin" - ~~memorize~~if you are somewhere illegally, it is ~~one option~~probably best to return to the country you came from with your possessions and then find a way to go where you want to go legally. If you have spent 30 years in a country and have still not been able to obtain citizenship, perhaps reevaluate the plan.

"retrieve your HW wallet and/or seed"/"what would you do"?:
1. Memorize it is one option.
2. Take steps to ensure that I don't get into a situation where I am in a place illegally and could be deported for breaking the law at any time.
3. Take a trip to the country I could be deported to and put a copy of the seeds (encrypted) in a safety deposit box in that country just in case the law catches up with me.
4. Give an encrypted copy to a professional trustee in the country I am in and then if I am deported ask them to send it to me.
5. Given everyone has a phone on them most of the time, keep an encrypted copy there and since you have it on your possession you would no doubt be able to take it with you.

Quote from: Helena Yu on September 28, 2025, 09:25:14 AM

I mean, an immigrant should aware if they might not able to live forever in that country regardless they have a student visa, work visa etc, except they're a permanent resident. So if you're not yet a permanent resident, don't think you will be 100% safe, you have to think about every possible way to access your coins.

Asking a friend and carry hardware wallet on airport doesn't feel safe for me.

Encrypted file on cloud doesn't look that bad to be honest.

And particularly in the case the OP mentions it is ILLEGAL immigrant, e.g. someone who has broken the law to go somewhere.

I don't call someone an "immigrant" if they have broken the law to enter my house, I call them a burglar.

Quote from: Renampun on September 28, 2025, 11:09:23 PM

Quote from: aoluain on September 28, 2025, 09:01:45 AM

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The vast majority of us will never encounter such a scenario but...

Outside of asking a family member/friend to retrieve your HW wallet and/or seed
What do you do in such a scenario?

When we are about to be deported, there should still be a procedure, the security forces cannot immediately expel us from our residence, unless we are a criminal, but people are still given the opportunity to retrieve their belongings, but if that is not the case, perhaps storing it online in an encrypted manner is an option that can be taken to back up our seed phrase, but we need to make sure that we add some additional words to our seed phrase and save it on 2 different and reputable platforms, since saving it online is more risky.

Which in the case of someone in a country illegally, they are, by definition a criminal by breaking immigration laws.

If I go to Mexico or China or Japan or Korea or Italy and overstay my visa, will they just let me stay and work and vote?

Quote from: Pauldesaints on September 30, 2025, 12:39:36 PM

I think, that will be an ill-treatment for the official not to allow the deportee access to his or her personal belongings.it will amount to unfair and great injustice.we have to treat every human equal as we are before God and not like a common criminal.its his or her right to pick up there belongings if caught in the case of visa expiration or criminality as the case maybe.

Unfair and great injustice to the citizens of the country where the person has broken the law to remain. It is a simple thing: if you go somewhere, you follow the laws of the place you go.