Quote from: Fernandez on May 10, 2014, 06:20:58 AM

When I said counterparty equivalent I meant something with a fair distribution. If you see all the next generation projects you find the underlying theme, greed of the developers. I think developers should be greedy but they shouldn't be dishonest and try to claim they are not. NXT, MSC, Ripple, Ethereum has all shown this tendency and Bitshares is following the same path.

You all awarded awarded yourselves all the Bitshares X 2-3 months back even though there is nothing there even now. Why would you do that, except to maximise your share? You have a silent fundraiser with your buddies, award yourselves all the shares and now say keep donating to us in the hope that some others will honour it and you will get something.

I don't know if you all seriously believe in what you seeing. It would be difficult for you to realise the con your developers are pulling out because you all will profit a lot from it. You all are doing your part now by trying to promote now. In the past few weeks I have heard quite a bit about this DPOS, and it seems thats because you now need others to know to increased demand.

Quote from: Agent86 on May 09, 2014, 01:15:31 PM

I think you will find that clones/copies that try to cut out the people that made this happen will not be a good investment.
Let me know if you have questions.

clones/copies which aim for a fair distribution and don't aim to award themselves everything with an underhanded distribution will be a good investment. I am not saying there will definitely be a counterparty equivalent, but I will be fully behind one if it happens.

As I said, good luck with your project. It is very innovative and has the potential to show a viable alternative to the cartel which is ruining Bitcoin. Its just sad that you all fell into the same greed trap.

... it should stay on topic true.
But seeing Bitshares described having an unfair distribution and greedy developers is ridiculous. It probably has the most flat distribution of all the Bitcoin 2.0 projects. Because many people (also outside of the crypto space) know about it. Bitshares had a great amount of media coverage and was introduced at the Miami, the Texas and the NY conference. I am pretty sure there are more PTS and AGS holders than there where Counterparty burners (I burned some BTC as well and I think Counterparty is among the most innovative and trustworthy projects out there). And like it was said above the developers do not take ANY AMOUNT of the stake for themselves other than the stake they got through mining / buying PTS and donating to AGS, just like with Counterparty. The donations from AGS are not theirs and are used to develop the bitshares ecosystem only! There is a spread sheet somewhere where all the expenses are listed.

If you want to compare the fairness with Counterparty:
Presence on Bitcointalk? About equal, there was only one thread about Counterparty during burn period but a few about Protoshares, Angelshares, Bitshares etc. Most Bitshares threads were less instructional though.
Length of donation period? 30 days with Counterparty vs. 60 days for BTS X and up to 200 days for most other DACs.
How many people know/knew about it during the coin distribution phase? Way more people know about bitshares, 10,000 people fourm, mainstream media coverage, presence on conferences to introduce ideas.
How do devs profit compared to the community/other investors? Counterparty and Bitshares are equally fair here. Same principle: Devs have the same conditions for getting stake like everyone else and only profit if the project is successful.
Counterparty has branded itself as being fair, and rightfully so, because it was the most fair Bitcion 2.0 project and especially way more fair than it's competitor Mastercoin. But Bitshares is at least as fair as Counterparty.
Also important: Fairness is not about how many Bitcoinalk people know about possibilities but about how many people in general do. Because, later on people could say. All those projects were only announced on these forums and the average guy that more consumes main stream media had no chance know it. Bitshares had media coverage (during stake distribution phase not after like Counterparty) with The economist, Bloomberg, Business Week, Tech Crunch and a local general news paper.

Most importantly, there was only one snapshot yet (the one for Bitshares X). There are at least half a dozen of DACs to have a Snapshot and you can be part of it and even profit from it twice as much as I will. PTS/AGS prices are ridiculously low atm. I bought earlier and will profit less than late investors... So please be fair.