Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 10, 2014, 04:29:32 PM

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 10, 2014, 03:57:22 PM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 10, 2014, 03:40:14 PM

Why is [ Sunlot's plan ] better than giving clients the full 20%, so that they can invest those same 10% into Apple stock instead? The clients will surely recover their 90% back much faster this way.

no.

apple isnt about to grow 5x

apple pays out about 1% a year in dividends

so it would probably take like 50-90years.

Well, how much dividend will the MtGOX 2.0 shares pay per year, as percentage of investment?

There is no way of estimating how much trade they would get. Why would people trade there rather than at Bitstamp or other exchanges? Why would people trust their dollars and bitcoins to people who have an even more, er, peculiar past than Mark?

The motivations of the Sunlot team could be all or any of (1) get their hands on those 200'000 BTC with no legally binding commitment to returning them to clients; (2) let Mr. Gay-Bouchery and Mr. Karpelès get away, free and rich; (3) make sure that the assets are distributed according to the (bogus?) balances in Mark's database rather than actual deposits minus withdrawals; (5) pre-empt a police investigation that could find the real culprits for the theft; (5) earn points for the afterlife and a boy-scout medal by helping poor MtGOX clients to recoup a little more of their loss than they would through liquidation. Have a guess...

EDIT: as for Apple, I don't know currently, but until some years ago they reinvested most of their profits into factories, shops and such; so stockholders got their returns through the increased value of their shares rather than dividends. Even if the MtGOX2.0 shares are real equity (rather than the "profit-only shares" of Neo&Bee), the company will have negligible assets of its own, so shares are unlikely to grow in value.

Very good points.

The idea that 200,000 BTC buy 20% of a startup with no much chance for success is absolutely incredulous. That would put the whole startup's value at 1,000,000 BTC. As a startup entrepreneur myself, I know that a qualified mgmt team is able to value themselves at $5 million at the first round. In this case the mgmt would get 5% of the new exchange and the creditors 95%. Even then I don't know of anyone who would take the deal instead of just taking their bitcoins back (the little that remains).

A criminal investigation must be pursued also. The blockchain will be completely analyzed sooner or later and the thieves will be caught. It is better for everyone that they be caught now.