As an aside, I vehemently disown JAD's position on rape. Although women might be unable to always stop their hindbrain, I am aghast that JAD is so political that he can't even acknowledge that kidnapping a woman for 18 years is not something she would want.

A thread of discussion which begins with the following quoted comment has piqued my interest (and you should click and read more of his thoughtful comments):

Quote from: https://blog.jim.com/war/dumping-flynn/#comment-1535772

Clueless, when it comes to solving the prisoners dilemma, which is the point of religion. Your utopia will last about as long as any Sharia gangs.

The point being that even a strong tribe would need cooperation with a wider-scale society in order to accomplish large-scale endeavors such as space travel, nuclear weapons, and attaining nation-state granularity sovereignty. And the point being that some common faith (and culture) is required that teaches men to subjugate their freewill seeking independence and tribal conquest (i.e. fragmentation of a wider-scale society) so as to cooperate for the collective success. That wider-scale cooperation can include enforcing restrictions on the mating strategies of men and women to promote stable families and procreation instead of devolution into a society-wide brothel defection.

My response is that open source is destroying the need for the nation-state. Open source is a paradigm shift which creates an Inverse Commons which does not suffer the Tragedy of the Commons prisoner's dilemma. Everyone can contribute and cooperate in the open, so there is no prison. And they don't have to agree with each other on concerns orthogonal to the specific open source project they are collaborating/contributing to.

So the God-delusion religion is also becoming antiquated. We no longer need it, as we also no longer need nation-states.

Quote from: miscreanity on February 14, 2017, 05:18:13 AM

Around 10% of Amish leave their communities to explore the world at large, yet most return.

Note how the New Order Amish which adopted more open and less strict restrictions have a greater rebellion rate (where the youth don't return). This seems to confirm my stance that parents can indeed statistically control their kids' choices. And it also indicates that as we can cooperate (e.g. using open source for projects) orthogonal to other concerns, then we won't need to restrict knowledge creation in order to squelch tribal defection.

So into Stage #5 we go, and cull all this useless dead weight left over from the Industrial Age.

Quote from: iamnotback on February 15, 2017, 09:10:43 AM

The nation-state was necessary for aggregating capital for the Industrial Age, but it has lost is reason to exist. And btw, this is why when Armstrong mentioned the USA would break up, it immediately seemed plausible to me.

Quote from: iamnotback on February 15, 2017, 12:31:19 AM

Quote from: CoinCube on February 14, 2017, 05:38:54 PM

Quote from: iamnotback on February 14, 2017, 10:34:38 AM

My idea is the State exists to manage power structure between those who are not relatives and exceed our Dunbar limit. The State was necessary to optimize Stage #3 and #4, but now heading for Stage #6 it appears to be losing its raison d'être. Religion and local culture exist to organize the relatives and tribe that fit within the Dunbar limit. In short, top-down versus bottom-up organization.

Religion can thus spread like a virus P2P; whereas, a State spreads only by top-down conquest.

Religion goes far beyond relatives and Dunbar limits. It is the primary mechanism of bottom-up spontaneous accretive cooperation.

Religion derives its P2P spread and power of coercion due to the importance of our adaption to the Dunbar limit and the priorities we place on those relationships. That the religion virus spreads throughout the population is orthogonal to the mechanism by which religion is empowered.

If we want to destroy the importance of those relationships within our Dunbar limit, then we need to replace that structure of control with another power structure, else we will have a power vacuum as we do which is an infanticide, society-wide brothel that I assert will completely collapse in Stage #5 with the Millennials generation.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 29, 2014, 10:34:15 AM

Because I have been explaining we are moving from the Industrial (fixed capital) Age to the Knowledge Age where individuals will own their productive capacity and can't be bought with financial capital.

Thus the nation-state concept has peaked. The globalists are consolidating power now to try to fend off the Knowledge Age, but they will fail (although they will succeed to enslave those who don't transition and remain dependent on the one world reserve currency and governments).

...

The individual is rising. Government is dying, and as it last hurrah it will descend into one world government which in fact already exists de facto as the DEEP STATE.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 29, 2014, 11:49:15 AM

These comments make it painfully obvious that Armstrong does not
understand the global trend underway with the transition from the
Industrial (fixed capital) Age to individual ownership of one's productive
capital in the Knowledge Age. For details on that trend, refer to my prior
writings upthread. Specifically knowledge workers today can produce and
distribute their own work individually without relying on the Theory of
the Firm and finance. The 3D printer is yet another example of this trend
underway.

He is framing the issue with the wrong perspective, thus he entirely
misses the point and thus the correct conclusion.

Crypto-currency doesn't need the entire world's confidence and acceptance.
The sovereign Knowledge Age workers are adopting it...

The rest of humanity will descend into enslavement in a one world reserve
currency and a de facto DEEP STATE that runs the dying fixed capital age
and the concept of the nation-state which raison d'etre was the politics
of finance.

See the one world outcome is the death star of collectivism. Again I refer
him to my seminal article on the Rise of Knowledge:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.0

Focus on the "Rise of Knowledge" essay and understand why savings must
decay otherwise knowledge doesn't advance.

I expounded on a later blog:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Thought_Isn%27t_Fungible

...

Armstrong is stuck in an anarchic idea of government and finance. He is
blinded to the decentralized rise of the sovereign individual in the
Knowledge Age. Thus to his hammer everything looks like a nail. He can
only see everything in terms of government. He can't see the true
revolution going on which government can't do a damn thing to stop.

Let them try to turn off the electricity. Watch how fast the Knowledge Age
workers engineer a solution that bypasses their grid.

Checkmate for the Industrial Age, nation-states, and voting. Those are the
dinosaurs.

When will Armstrong have the epiphany and realize what time it really is?

His model is screaming that I am correct. Yet he is blinded by his old age
and ingrained thought patterns and experience as a hedge fund manager.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 29, 2014, 12:39:56 PM

But every time I ask Armstrong a question which challenges his logic, he is unable to answer. So here we go again and he WON'T be able to answer for if he did, he would have to admit his error.

So who will enforce this reserve currency which is not tied to any government central bank, political fiscal process, and national debt?

These diverse cultures and nation-states are going to remain in perfect harmony in terms of agreeing to honor the discipline of this reserve currency without trying to gain any leverage (control) over it? So the stronger nations won't be able to obtain leverage over the smaller nations in terms of the enforcement and evolution of this reserve currency?

Illogical Nonsense.

The only way such a one world reserve currency will have the desired discipline on the nations (i.e. a government that is running fiscal deficits for the wrong reasons will see its currency and bond markets pummeled), is if there is force backing it so it will have the necessary confidence.

Armstrong can't see the real power players of the DEEP STATE that is the defacto world government today. He only sees the public and political curtain dog & pony circus that is allowed to run amok while the real power sits back and awaits the outcome of "the borrower is slave to the lender" or "he who controls the gold, makes the rules".

Those globalists are guiding the nation-states towards their debt collapse where they will fall into the lap of the true power structure which owns the fixed capital, Industrial world. They control the multi-nationals too.

Armstrong hilariously claims that the software giants such as Google are distancing themselves from the NSA corruption and cites this as evidence that the globalist plans and power is waning.

Hahaha, what a myopic dimwit he can be at times.

Yeah Google will put on a good dog & pony show for naive idiots to believe, while the astute sovereign hackers (Knowledge Age workers) understand very well that Google continues its march towards enabling the globalist TECHNOCRACY.

Quote from: AnonyMint on June 24, 2014, 09:27:13 AM

Let's take for example the French Revolution as an example. The masses rebelled due to the discontent over the mismanagement of the economy by the monarchy and nobility. However the power vacuum of democracy was filled by political corruption which had to be snuffed by a totalitarian dictator Napoleon.

The masses are sheep because planning by consensus is always a chaotic power vacuum. There is no solution to this, except to use technology to empower the individual to escape the failure of the collective. In the past the technology innovation was in the ability to populate new geographical frontiers. Now the technological innovation will be the anonymous and decentralized Knowledge Economy on the (new redesigned anonymous and decentralize) internet.

The key to understanding the outcome of this global sovereign debt crisis, is first to recognize that is not a nation-state phenomenon, rather it is global. The controllers this time are not the pawns (bureaucrats) figure heads in the nation-states, but rather the multi-national corporations and more specifically the global elite who own these.

Surely the global elite must understand that there is a huge level of overcapacity in the industrial (age) sectors. Whereas there is undercapacity in the Knowledge Age sectors, e.g. dearth of top computer programmers, etc.. Their goal is to maintain control while the industrial age declines and the knowledge age rises. They've placed their bets on Facebook, Google, etc.. They want to a centrally controlled internet and socialism. This is the only way they can maintain their overlordship status. They currently control all mass media too.

So they will maximize the debt levels and destruction of the global economy in order to plummet the sheep into an escapable socialism, wherein the entrepreneurs will always be targetted and destroyed if they don't sell out to the multi-nationals.

Of course we hackers are not going to allow them to do this. They will lose.

So it won't be society that wakes up. The hackers are already awake.

The global elite know this. Which is why they have a $3 trillion black budget for the NSA et al, so they are prepared for cyberwar.

Now prepare for battle and chaos. The sheep will be manipulated by the global elite throughout this.

Quote from: iamnotback on October 17, 2016, 12:52:14 PM

I had written numerous times that the plan of the elite was to destroy and discredit the nation-state governance and central bank concept, such as quoted as follows from the "One-world reserve currency is inevitable" thread:

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 09:07:23 AM

As I warned you, the countries will be pushed towards cooperating against financial crime:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers

The globalists are destroying the nation-states on purpose and inciting the masses to clamor for a global discipline on malfeasance. I've known for a long time this would be coming. One thing you will learn about me by observing me over time is my ability to predict the future. For example was my 2011 prediction that the nations would not exit the EU and instead would double-down for more sloppy seconds.

Below I am beginning to see that the elite factions are only coordinated philosophically (and their even subconscious selfish aims thereof), and that is the concept of top-down control and secrecy. The order-out-of-chaos aspect might be deliberate and/or it might just be the natural evolution of a species.

Quote from: https://steemit.com/society/@anonymint/the-red-pill-blue-pill-election-nyc-slumlord-vs-globalists#@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-the-red-pill-blue-pill-election-nyc-slumlord-vs-globalists-20161017t094416437z

The following is a collection of links to some of my past writings.

It all distills down to top-down centralized control is inferior to decentralized accretion of outcomes and fitness.

Besides the lust for money, power, and subconscious Satanic absolute control, what pragmatically drives these globalists is they have too much stored monetary capital and need to deploy it with great economies-of-scale, because the larger one's stored monetary capital becomes, the more difficult it is to manage a good return-on-investment. This is simply the rule of Second Law of Thermodynamics that small things grow faster, e.g. saplings grow very fast eventually slowing to mature trees, but they can't grow to the moon:

Quote from: https://steemit.com/science/@anonymint/the-golden-knowledge-age-is-rising

First of all, I want to explain why the Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates that energy must always disperse from a hot to a cold body, and not the reverse of a colder body giving up energy becoming colder and making the hot body hotter. This is because the equation for entropy of any system is maximized by having as many equiprobable possible states, i.e. the probability is very high that a hot body with its very highly probable collision of moving particles due to high kinetic energy will transfer some kinetic energy to the slower moving particles in the cold body because it maximizes the entropy of the combined system of hot and cold bodies together. But that is sort of a tautology. The point is that random events are unlikely to be able to keep a system highly ordered and concentrated, just as random twists on a Rubik's cube are unlikely to solve it. Since there can't exist any top-down omniscience in the universe, the probability of maintaining ordered systems trends towards zero on a large enough scale. This is why one can keep small things in order for a while, but large endeavors unravel more quickly. For the same reason, small things grow faster, such as a saplings grow to trees, but trees don't grow to the moon.

This is of course in addition to the Iron Law of Political Economics, which insures that flies are attracted to honey, i.e. that those who can charge rents to the collective will be drawn in by the power vacuum of awarding authority to a process. I had even elaborated on the fact that the special interest groups include the voters themselves. I had commented recently in the context of the Philippines' recent decision to instill vigilante killing of suspected drug dealers, about how authority is always corruptible but my comment was not advocating what you the brain washed Westerner reader has been indoctrinated to think is correct.

I had tied this numerous times (such as on May 06, 2014) into my essays about the death of passive capital and the rise of a Knowledge Age that I think will be more immune to financialization. I even wrote a sequel as my prior blog The Golden Knowledge Age is Rising. I even related why usury must exist in order to attain growth within a stored monetary capital paradigm and yet must be a boom-and-bust, power vacuum phenomenon. Even centralized economy-of-scale driven industrial production requires financialization because it is not anti-fragile w.r.t. to force majure, long-tail distributions, and natural variance.

And there was my proclamation in 2014 that the solution would be decentralization. And again I reiterated that collectivized voting is the problem, with the implication that the only robust, resilient solution is decentralization.

I even nailed the homerun point that crypto-currency doesn't depend on ubiquitous confidence to become a global unit-of-exchange, because it doesn't rely on collectivized force to attain a precarious debt-based value. Even gold has to be stamped and assayed by a collective authority, which Proof-of-Work doesn't suffer, yet the remaining challenge is that neither Proof-of-Work nor (even Distributed) Proof-of-Stake are immune to economies-of-scale which enable centralized control (which is the remaining challenge of crypto-currency which I intend to solve!).

The premise that we can protect all the people is fundamentally implausible, which is what leads these Liberals astray into evil outcomes.

It is ironic that Liberals view themselves as selfless people focused on the good of the collective.

Another aspect we can note about Hillary Clinton and the globalists, is they prefer secrecy instead of decentralized open source. But decentralized open source is the only positive scaling law of engineering because the sharing doesn't violate the maximum-divison-of-expertise and the decentralization doesn't incur the rigor mortis of the Mythical Man Month.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 27, 2014, 03:05:52 AM

I remember telling my grandfather when I was 15 or 16 that VOTING IS THE
PROBLEM. How come I can figure that out at such a young age, yet grown men
still have this delusion and don't understand the thermodynamics of the
power vacuum. For as long as men are deluded by the lie of the power of
voting, they will forever be hamsters. The desire to collectivize creates
a Coasian barrier to maximum entropy. The globalists then are entrusted to
design in the creative destruction, which is precisely the destruction of
the nation-states ongoing. You see while the nation states die and head
towards world government, the entropy routes around the Coasian barrier
into the technology arena, e.g. the crypto-currency era is born. In other
words, the only thing that has ever worked are frontiers that route around
the desire of stupid men to collectivize their votes. From the Biblical
perspective, the astute insight (whether God exists is irrelevant to
whether the lesson is astute) God tried to teach men this in 1 Samuel 8,
but men did not listen. So God said let them have their government and
reap what it will sow. 1 Samuel 15 was a fulfillment of the outcome of
such a Coasian barrier.

...

The world government already exists, but not yet in the open. THE DEEP
STATE is already the defacto government. You have written about its
existence.

You contradict yourself. You state elite groups can't cooperate, yet you
admit the very powerful DEEP STATE exists. What you fail to incorporate
into your logic is the thermodynamic fact that organisms (even in a Petri
dish) can be incentivized to cooperate within a Coasian barrier by some
common survival or profit strategy. Did Thatcher win on the EU? No! The
Bilderbergs and the DEEP STATE won.

You only see the creative destruction of the nation-states as the
invisible hand. The elite power structure is a natural Coasian result and
it isn't invisible. It exists. You even admitted it exists. You think the
DEEP STATE is temporary, yet it has been there since the time of the Kings
and it is growing more and more intrusive and powerful.

You should go listen to Hillary speak on Youtube where was speaking at the
CFR so you can correct your erroneous assumption.

As the nation-states collapse in the sovereign debt crisis, the borrower
is slave to the lender, and the defacto government will transitioned to
the official government. The EU Commission is an early example of this
open form of dictatorship that already exists in THE DEEP STATE.

...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/26/hollande-calls-for-eu-to-reduce-its-role/

Quote from: Armstrong

The people of Europe never agreed to the Federalization
of Europe. The politicians thought they were clever and would sneak this
agenda in little by little. I have stated that they came to me at the
start of design. I told them flat outright the euro would fail unless
there was the nationalization of all member debts. They did not think they
could get the support for that at the time and pushed forward creating a
federal bureaucracy and a single currency. The design was a disaster and
warned them at that time the euro would fail. Without a consolidation of
the member debts, the euro could NEVER compete against the dollar nor
become the reserve currency lacing a deep market to park money.

The bureaucrats were given the ideology and agenda you saw on the public
face of it, but the globalist damn well knew they were creating it to fail
on purpose, because they knew the nation-states of Europe would be
destroyed by it and no longer able to return to sovereignty.

It is no longer reversible for economic reasons. To reverse it would be
mean too much pain for European boomers who are too old to fight and
rebuild.

The globalists' plan is working out as planned.

Yet you only see the public face it. You are fooled by the magician's
illusion, i.e. you are a sheep and can only see the ass of the sheep in
front of you.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 17, 2014, 03:51:52 AM

Rising taxes is the stage where the nation-states self-destruct, as
planned. To usher in the power vacuum (chaos and misery) that gives rise
to an international discipline and solution circa 2032.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 24, 2014, 10:01:47 AM

They are consolidating top-down control with a strategy of aiding and
abetting corruption of the nation-state institutions (e.g. Goldman Sachs
hid Greece's financials with derivatives to help worsen their sovereign
debt crisis), which will cause the global population to accede to reform
which will involve globalized institutions for transparency of
nation-states. For example, there will end up one international trade
currency, which the other nation-state currencies will float against. And
you Martin have even advocated this outcome!

One the multi-nationals get their tentacles on these globalized
institutions, they will truly have achieved taxation and government
without representation. We will be effectively ruled from far away and our
nation-state governments will just be figureheads, e.g. like the European
Parliament wherein the European Commission really has all the power.

Quote from: AnonyMint on May 12, 2014, 01:42:47 AM

...destroying the nation-state is part of the globalist plan (thoroughly documented above and in prior communications). The globalists foment the brain-dead actions and outcome of the politicians and the sheep.

The global elite are a natural outcome of the power vacuum of democracy and widespread communication technology and the shift to the Knowledge Age are driving the consolidation of global political power.

...Why would a globalist elite intent on destroying the nation-state sovereignty want to rescue the current structure of Western society? Instead by design, they want to crash and burn the current structure, so that the world will turn only to an international solution to political organization.

And they are succeeding. It is going exactly according to plan.

...

* the globalists won't be prepared to offer the new financial system until after the destroy and discredit the nation-states, so this open a period of a decade or two where there will be no other option except crypto-currency.

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 19, 2014, 03:15:33 PM

Btw, I see as I expected the globalists are pitching their NWO solution in the guise of discrediting their nation-state central banking:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522050.msg5784742#msg5784742

Quote from: AnonyMint on June 01, 2014, 03:50:24 AM

Zuckerberg sent a letter too, yet Facebook and Google continue to increase their technologies for tracking everything. Facebook even monitors your pattern of typing so they can identify you even when you are not login. Google works on driveless cars and tracking you on every site via cookies and their ads on nearly every blog and website.

The fascism is not decreasing. There are only some nice letters sent to appease the public post-Snowden, whilest the reality is the fascism is increasing and will more so with FATCA and Obamacare so that only those multi-nationals can do business internationally and domestically.
Checkmate on the economy and the slide into the abyss of a Dark Age.

The people will protest and demand reform. And the globalists will give them an IMF controlled international reserve currency reset and global oversight for transparency of the nation-state corruption, to further enslave the people in Rothschild's control over the money supply (then the globalists will have their fingers on a global central banking lever).

...

In all cases, the globalists are funding and involved in these. Andy Sutton documented the money trail of their involvement with the Bolsheviks, etc.. The power vacuum of voting (collectivism) always creates
Totalitarianism. There are 0 exceptions in history, if you distill it down to the generative essence and thus fundamental truth. For example, see my point about Athen's democracy in the prior email yesterday. Therein the globalists were the slave owner "citizens" (who were a fraction of the global population that was enslaved).

Quote from: Armstrong

The only Republic that did not transform into an oligarchy was that of Genoa. There the richest families ruled, but each rotated as the Doge for one year. Thus, they never became Draconian for they feared retaliation the next year and they would be subject to their own laws. Career politicians are always exempt under our current system. Genoa did not fall into a rich v poor, it was business always that benefited the entire city for it perpetually competed against Florence and Venice. You simply cannot have career politicians NO EXCEPTIONS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Genoa#13th_and_14th_century

You again identify the symptom and not the cause! The symptom was competitive chaos that disallowed a dominant power structure to take over (thus preventing entrenched vested interests, i.e. your buzzword "career politicians"). But what caused that and thus enabled it? Come on man, think.

DECENTRALIZATION was how society rose out of the Dark Age of Western Rome. And it will be exactly the same this time. The decentralization won't be driven by the top-down due to some reform of collectivism, rather from individuals and groups breaking free to new frontiers and competing from there...

Quote from: Armstrong

This is why as say it is NOT Capitalism that is in its death-throes, it is Socialism.

To be more precise, it is passive capital that is dying also, as we are moving into a decentralized Knowledge Age wherein the individual can create and distribute from his own knowledge capital (due to computers, internet, 3D printing, robotics, etc) and thus stored capital is dying.

Quote from: Armstrong

Eventually, they will create a new currency, default on the obligations, and we get a reset. This is where tangible assets come in. ALL ASSETS survive such a rest PROVIDED there is no war that results in the destruction of the infrastructure as we saw after World War II.

All tangible assets will be confiscated or end up illiquid. No exceptions. Stored capital is dying. We are leaving the Industrial Age wherein fixed capital was necessary. You are missing the entire trend. You are only looking at the highly VISIBLE symptoms and Bureaucrats and not looking deeper.